the battle of the primes: optimus versus rodimus.. (whose is bigger?)
If you don't know who Rodimus Prime is, then you're either very young, or not into transformers much.. If you don't know who Optimus Prime is, then you can join unicron (who you probably don't know either) and circle cybertron as a satelite for ever. For those of you who do know Optimus and Rodimus.. welcome fellow nerds, to the venue for my geekiness. The time has come to ask the ultimate question.. In a no holds barred battle to the death, who would win? Optimus or Rodimus?
Optimus prime has long been the ultimate symbol for the transformers. Since he was the main focus of the original series, it's no surprise that his character has been developed so well. His trademark of course is that he is heroic to the point of self sacrifice. A veritable definition to the word martyr. All this of course is aside from his significant raw physical strength and power. Optimus prime, despite his pacifism has led the autobots to countless victories over the decepticons.
Rodimus prime is Optimus' succesor. He grew into Rodimus prime from his previous incarnation as hotrod. Though he played the 'unruly rebel' character th the beggining of the transformers movie, through significant events (including the death of Optimus prime due to his foolishness, the events that occured on the quintesson planet, etc.) we saw hotrod grow into a potential leader. At the conclusion of the movie, Hotrod was seen to be giving a speech about restoring cybertron to a new age of peace. The series continued after that with Rodimus as the autobots new leader.
So who would win the fight? let's review the facts as told by significant episodes and movies. (we can make no assumptions here, so all the factors that will be taken into consideration have to be facts proven by events from the cartoon series or the movie.)
Point: Optimus prime was the first fighting autobot created by AlphaTrion. He was designed to combat the threat created by the new decepticon race, and he held the balance for a little over nine million years. He was also the first to defeat Megatron, and has many many years of experience behind him. He would definitely win.
Counterpoint: Though Optimus was the first, it doesn't necessarily say he was the best. After all, can it be said that the first car created by toyota is better than the latest one? As Optimus was the first to defeat megatron, Rodimus was the fist to defeat Galvatron.
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Point: Rodimus Prime in the movie, defeated Galvatron so easily, simply picking him up and throwing him through a wall in Unicron, whereas Optimus had this 5 minute struggle against Megatron, Galvatrons lesser incarnation, and was mortally wounded because of it. Obviously, by looking at the amount of effort it took to defeat the same enemy (and Galvatron was even wstronger than Megatron) we see that Rodimus is possesed of more power than Optimus.
Counterpoint: Rodimus received the power of the Autobot matrix of leadership from Optimus in the movie, so he was therefore using his own strength compounded upon that of Optimus. This instance doesn't count because he wasn't running on his own steam. Furthermore, Galvatron was not necessarily more powerful than Megatron, since all Unicron said was: "I shall give you a NEW body" New, not better. For all we know, Megatron could have been vastly more powerful than Galvatron.
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Point: In the episode 'The Return Of Optimus' (the one with the hate plague) Rodimus gets possesed by the hate plague, and Optimus needs to use the matrix of leadership to restore the galaxy to it's sanity. In the fight between the hat-infused Rodimus and Optimus, Optimus applies a pacifist philosophy at first, until he gets fed up and beats Rodimus with ease. Add to that the fact that Rodimus had the matrix inside of him, and we get a picture that says Optimus bitch slapped Rodimus prime while rodimus prime had the matrix of leadership. It's unnecessary to ask who's stronger now is it?
Counterpoint: The hate plague had possesed Rodimus at that point, so there are many possible explanations for his being beaten. 1) The hate plague made him unable to access the matrix of leadership since hate is an an emotion beyond wisdom, and wisdom was what the matrix contained. Therefore, Rodimus wasn't in a proper state of mind to fight. 2) Optimus strength comes from the fact that he's fighting on the side of righteousness. Perhaps subconciously Rodimus realized that he was on the wrong side, and allowed himself to be beaten.
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Point: In the TRANSFORMERS: HEADMASTERS episode 'the two primes/prime's sacrifice' we see Optimus and Rodimus Prime fightig side by side. (the birth of the dream as the japanese narrator so aptly called it) In the end though, Optimus throws himself into the rift to restore Vector Sigma. Though Rodimus offered to do it, Prime stopepd him saying that Rodimus had an important mission yet to do. The point of the question is, was Optimus afraid or unwilling to do this task? perhaps he wasn't possesed of enough power to do the mission himself?
Counterpoint: In that same episode, we saw Rodimus and Optimus fight Galvatron, but it was Optimus who landed the knockout punch. Besides that, Optimus did it without the power of the Autobot Matrix of Leadership. It was only after the fight that he received any power from the matrix. To adress the point, Optimus probably threw himself into the rift because only he could restore Vector Sigma. Perhaps he sacrificed himself because he knew that in the end when it really mattered, Rodimus didn't have the right stuff.
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The points have been stated and refuted. Now the verdict: let's put it to a vote. comment on who you think would win. Let the battle of the primes begin.
Optimus prime has long been the ultimate symbol for the transformers. Since he was the main focus of the original series, it's no surprise that his character has been developed so well. His trademark of course is that he is heroic to the point of self sacrifice. A veritable definition to the word martyr. All this of course is aside from his significant raw physical strength and power. Optimus prime, despite his pacifism has led the autobots to countless victories over the decepticons.
Rodimus prime is Optimus' succesor. He grew into Rodimus prime from his previous incarnation as hotrod. Though he played the 'unruly rebel' character th the beggining of the transformers movie, through significant events (including the death of Optimus prime due to his foolishness, the events that occured on the quintesson planet, etc.) we saw hotrod grow into a potential leader. At the conclusion of the movie, Hotrod was seen to be giving a speech about restoring cybertron to a new age of peace. The series continued after that with Rodimus as the autobots new leader.
So who would win the fight? let's review the facts as told by significant episodes and movies. (we can make no assumptions here, so all the factors that will be taken into consideration have to be facts proven by events from the cartoon series or the movie.)
Point: Optimus prime was the first fighting autobot created by AlphaTrion. He was designed to combat the threat created by the new decepticon race, and he held the balance for a little over nine million years. He was also the first to defeat Megatron, and has many many years of experience behind him. He would definitely win.
Counterpoint: Though Optimus was the first, it doesn't necessarily say he was the best. After all, can it be said that the first car created by toyota is better than the latest one? As Optimus was the first to defeat megatron, Rodimus was the fist to defeat Galvatron.
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Point: Rodimus Prime in the movie, defeated Galvatron so easily, simply picking him up and throwing him through a wall in Unicron, whereas Optimus had this 5 minute struggle against Megatron, Galvatrons lesser incarnation, and was mortally wounded because of it. Obviously, by looking at the amount of effort it took to defeat the same enemy (and Galvatron was even wstronger than Megatron) we see that Rodimus is possesed of more power than Optimus.
Counterpoint: Rodimus received the power of the Autobot matrix of leadership from Optimus in the movie, so he was therefore using his own strength compounded upon that of Optimus. This instance doesn't count because he wasn't running on his own steam. Furthermore, Galvatron was not necessarily more powerful than Megatron, since all Unicron said was: "I shall give you a NEW body" New, not better. For all we know, Megatron could have been vastly more powerful than Galvatron.
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Point: In the episode 'The Return Of Optimus' (the one with the hate plague) Rodimus gets possesed by the hate plague, and Optimus needs to use the matrix of leadership to restore the galaxy to it's sanity. In the fight between the hat-infused Rodimus and Optimus, Optimus applies a pacifist philosophy at first, until he gets fed up and beats Rodimus with ease. Add to that the fact that Rodimus had the matrix inside of him, and we get a picture that says Optimus bitch slapped Rodimus prime while rodimus prime had the matrix of leadership. It's unnecessary to ask who's stronger now is it?
Counterpoint: The hate plague had possesed Rodimus at that point, so there are many possible explanations for his being beaten. 1) The hate plague made him unable to access the matrix of leadership since hate is an an emotion beyond wisdom, and wisdom was what the matrix contained. Therefore, Rodimus wasn't in a proper state of mind to fight. 2) Optimus strength comes from the fact that he's fighting on the side of righteousness. Perhaps subconciously Rodimus realized that he was on the wrong side, and allowed himself to be beaten.
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Point: In the TRANSFORMERS: HEADMASTERS episode 'the two primes/prime's sacrifice' we see Optimus and Rodimus Prime fightig side by side. (the birth of the dream as the japanese narrator so aptly called it) In the end though, Optimus throws himself into the rift to restore Vector Sigma. Though Rodimus offered to do it, Prime stopepd him saying that Rodimus had an important mission yet to do. The point of the question is, was Optimus afraid or unwilling to do this task? perhaps he wasn't possesed of enough power to do the mission himself?
Counterpoint: In that same episode, we saw Rodimus and Optimus fight Galvatron, but it was Optimus who landed the knockout punch. Besides that, Optimus did it without the power of the Autobot Matrix of Leadership. It was only after the fight that he received any power from the matrix. To adress the point, Optimus probably threw himself into the rift because only he could restore Vector Sigma. Perhaps he sacrificed himself because he knew that in the end when it really mattered, Rodimus didn't have the right stuff.
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The points have been stated and refuted. Now the verdict: let's put it to a vote. comment on who you think would win. Let the battle of the primes begin.