OOC: How's My Driving?
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There are a lot of things that really, really irk and disappoint me about your portrayal of Johan. They boil down to two main points, which, while they may not be your intent to make them seem that way, are the way they are coming across to me:
1. His (or your?) emphasis on his relationship with Kay and his existing friends over everything and everyone else.
2. His insistence on carrying a grudge against Yubel, and distancing himself from Judai because of it.
For the first point, a disclaimer: I don't care who ships who with who and why or how. I really don't. I ship practically everything and anything myself if it's made plausible. That said, the way I noticed you tag only the same people with the same CR, you're probably going to get accused of circlejerking at some point, most likely. With Kay, you make it extremely obvious, maybe not even intentionally, that he and she have a lot of romantic tension and that you may OOCly ship them. She does too, honestly, but she's far less overt about it. You almost never tag your castmates anymore, unless I've missed something (the thread with Judai aside).
Which brings me to my next point, somewhat relatedly: that grudge against Yubel he's been harboring seems extremely, hideously OOC and anything but a logical facet of the good-natured, easygoing, friendly Johan I remember. I don't mean the frustration of being used, or the uneasiness he may have around her. Those are reasonable responses and feelings to have. I mean that he goes out of his way to be angry and to distance himself from Yubel... and Judai by proxy. This is why it's so OOC: because I have never seen a portrayal so blatantly and intentionally oriented away from Judai. I understand you may be trying to make his life not revolve around him, and that would be fine under other circumstances, but making them not even speak anymore is not the way to do it. And then when they do speak, things get tense again. I imagine Judai-mun is equally guilty of this, and I'll probably crit her as well on it. But there's a huge problem on both ends, and it's apparent even in IC, which I think you may need to talk out OOCly with Judai-mun, and maybe the rest of your immediate castmates at that. Because frankly, this is getting ridiculous. I don't mean to say he should forgive Yubel right away and hit it off with her, because I'm sure she wouldn't make that easy anyway, but I don't think what you're currently doing is especially reasonable, either.
You do everything else fine, I think. His interactions with others seem to go well enough. But the way you currently handle your castmates and instead turn your attention to his existing close cross-fandom CR, when he should ideally be balancing out his relationships instead... it's setting off a lot of warning bells to me.
Again, this is all probably not what you're intending to make things look like, but I figure you won't mind getting some outside feedback on what it really does look like. Hopefully I haven't come across as too bitter to swallow, but this is honestly getting painful to watch, in the worst way.
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1. His (or your?) emphasis on his relationship with Kay and his existing friends over everything and everyone else.
I'm not sure if you mean lately, or just in general, but if it's more lately (the past month or so), stuff has been going on IRL and as a result, I've only really been able to keep up with the current CR he has. I'm not trying to make it an excuse, as I pointed out to the anon above you, but that is what happened and I've been trying to do better about that since it was pointed out to me and since I'm getting a better handle of things IRL. If you mean in general though, I'm not sure I agree with you, but I'll get to that further down I guess. And as far as castmates go, I'm not entirely sure what you mean? I may have missed a post or two, sure, but he's living with Crow and his mun and I have been talking about how they've been getting along while they've been together (though obviously that wouldn't show up too well in the game), and we've got the whole duel thing planned out JUST for the YGO cast. He's also hit up Brave and Kaiba's intros, and maybe Rua? recently too. But if you want to go into more detail about that, please do. -- Not including Juudai, anyway, for obvious reasons.
2. His insistence on carrying a grudge against Yubel, and distancing himself from Judai because of it.
This admittedly hugely falls on me because, as I said, I hadn't been able to be around a lot to talk to Juudai-mun about things, and when I finally was able to, this post is what we decided to go with.
As far as being oriented away from Juudai, part of that came from Johan's feelings on how Juudai can be so forgiving to Yubel after everything she did. And really, I hope we can both agree that he never got any resolution for what happened to him in canon. Anyway, the thing is, after they talked, he wasn't "distancing" himself from Juudai, nor was he really angry. I know it was offscreen, but he was thinking about it, and Juudai, the whole time. They had their talk here, and then it just sort of... worked out that we weren't able to thread again until Johan's recent private post. And that really is more our fault than it is the characters', just for not being able to work things out or being online at the same time to talk, which... really lead to it getting dragged out.
His feelings on the situation now? He really really wants to see his best friend again, and he'll deal with Yubel however he has to, depending on how she wants to handle him.
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Johan has a crush on her, and they've gone on... two? dates now - and there are probably going to be some more in the future, and these are ~crazy new things~ he is exploring. I won't deny any of that. That said, even if they were to start dating and get married or whatever crazy thing you want, at the end of the day, they're still them. ... Which might not make much sense to you-- I guess what I'm trying to say is that if it seems like I've been, it really wasn't intentional. They're just tards like that, really. Ultimately, she's his "partner" (not like, romantic partner, just Johto!buddy number one and lots of other stuff) before she is a love interest, and yeah, he really does care about her, but there's also Kaito and Crow too, and a few other people coming up as well. I want to make it clear, with how Johan's been able to develop here (mostly lack of spirits + being able to be on equal footing with EVERYONE due to the Pokemon) he's been able to get some more "real" friendships going on, like what he had with Juudai, so I admit, if I've been getting immersed in all of this kind of stuff over the old, that again is probably my fault - Johan's feelings haven't changed so drastically that he's going to up and hate Juudai, not by a longshot. ... Plus, like his spirits, he's come to really care about his Pokemon to boot, though I... really can't do a lot with that ICly.
As far as the castmates go, I addressed that already to an extent, but I'd also like to add that I'll make it a point to try not to miss a post/tag every one I can from now on.
I mean that he goes out of his way to be angry and to distance himself from Yubel... and Judai by proxy.
By "out of his way", do you mean his... initial reaction, or just their not talking? Because he hasn't been angry since their phone call (not even at Yubel anymore), they just haven't really had a chance to thread.
This is why it's so OOC: because I have never seen a portrayal so blatantly and intentionally oriented away from Judai. I understand you may be trying to make his life not revolve around him, and that would be fine under other circumstances, but making them not even speak anymore is not the way to do it.
Initially, Johan just wanted some time to himself to think. When he stopped talking to him, he wasn't angry anymore, he just wanted to really figure out some things. But what really happened was things got hectic for me, so that time period got hideously stretched out - it was going to be a few days, maybe a week or two at most. As we both know, it ended up practically twice that, and that's totally my fault and I really can't say anything else there except I'm trying to fix it. And I'm sorry. I won't throw my life story at you or some sob story, when it gets down to it, I didn't have as much time as I normally had and as I result I was just trying to keep up with his close CR as best I could.
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This is something that we've both noticed, and we're... honestly not sure how it keeps happened. But with their most current thread, they managed to dork it up just fine despite not talking in a few weeks and all, and she and I both want to try to get them back in their dorking groove in the future as well. I suppose this, again, just comes back down to me not threading when I should have been. Again, I apologize.
But the way you currently handle your castmates and instead turn your attention to his existing close cross-fandom CR, when he should ideally be balancing out his relationships instead... it's setting off a lot of warning bells to me.
Again, when it comes down to it, I think this was totally my fault, though I think that's probably clear by the time you'll have gotten down here. Honestly? I've been wanting him to have more people to talk to for a while now anyway, and I really will do my best to make that happen on my end and build CR with other characters and whatnot.
And yeah-- I think I've replied to everything you brought up now? If I missed something, though, hit me up on it. And I really am sorry that this has gotten painful for you, and whoever else might be watching me tag around, and I will be doing my best to fix what you've brought up - and if there's anything you'd like to add or if you want to reply to any of my replies, or, y'know, just talk, please do. This kind of thing is really really helpful, and every little thing matters. So thanks again.
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