First off, I wanted to thank you for the work and dedication you put into the most recent plot with Lucifer. In response to the many wanky anon comments that have been about your gameplay, I was very impressed to see you embrace the crit implied and playing with the game in whole.
Secondly, I have an issue that I have wanted to bring up for quite a while, but that I simply haven't had the time to sit down and address. Back when this entry was made, I contacted the mods to ask whether my concerns were valid, a question they affirmed. My greatest concern with this entry is that it was neither lj-cut nor warned for, despite featuring explicit BDSM material (not only do we see Jinx' corset rings, but Lucifer also makes a show of their use). I am no prude (as may be obvious from the amount of sex logs I have going myself), I swear, and I like smut and sexual content as much as the next girl, but to see it splashed onto your friend's list without even an lj-cut is not good RP etiquette, if you ask me, and also against Adstringendum's rules, as given below:
RATINGS. We have no rating for the game, but as a rule of thumb, anything that would be considered rated R and above by American film standards (see below), at least deserves to be put under an lj-cut. NC-17 situations (smut) must be f-locked, no questions asked. There'll be no flagging of this community.
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R: stands for Restricted. This is where constant use of the F-word goes, where making out (that does not get too explicit) goes. Handwaved sex would fall under this, so would a violent fight. There's indication that explicit things are happening, but they are not described blow-by-blow, and are even glossed over.
NC-17: This is what graphic material falls under. It stands for ‘No Children under 17,' and clearly states the material is adult. Sex, murder, rock-and-roll, that goes under this label. The content can be disturbing or questionable, and is not to be read by minors. Everything is explicit.
The above-mentioned entry in particular concerned me, but also how you seem very consistent in not lj-cutting your logs in the log community, albeit rules imply that it is courteous thing to do. Since Jinx!mun is the one who has posted most of your explicit logs, I am happy to see them cut, warned for and friends locked, but since you do log quite a bit, I would hope to see you do the same in the future.
This comment is not meant to be offensive, wanky or anything similar, it is simply the address of a concern that I have been thinking of a lot recently and in the light of the newest development in the rp anon comm thread on Adstringendum, I thought it was the right time to bring to you personally.
Working backwards in my reply here.... Thank you for bringing this to me personally. I only read the anoncomm when one of my friends mentions something specific, so if you had posted it there I either wouldn't have seen it or by that point wouldn't have been willing to take it as a serious concern (so much of anoncomm is wank baiting).
For LJ cuts, they're usually done as a courtesy if the post is over two paragraphs long. Mine are typically started with one or two sentences, so an lj-cut wouldn't save any space at all on the flist page. I'm not verbose, especially in starting logs, which is sort of a courtesy in itself XD If I write any that are over two paragraphs I'll make sure I cut them, though.
As for that specific log I'm sorry if it offended you. I disagree on the rating, personally; the mentions of the piercings were far less explicit than what you would find on primetime tv (I'm thinking of CSI, Law&Order, and even Bones specifically). I deliberately avoided graphic descriptions and Lucifer and Jinx tend to share only veiled implications of what they do in locked threads. But that being said, the rating isn't the problem if it hurt someone. If something is technically rated PG but is still offensive, then it's still a problem. I do sincerely apologize if you or anyone else was offended by it, I've been playing Lucifer long enough that I tend to be loose in my judgment of what might step on toes. I'll be more careful in the future.
Again, thank you for bringing this to me here, I really do appreciate it. This is a much more reliable avenue for me; when I first started playing Lucifer I was actually very active with him, but it requires a lot of research on other canons and I've become reluctant to put so much time into threads. I hadn't even realized I was excluding people or that it looked deliberate until people brought it up to me one-on-one like this.
Thank you for your politeness in receiving this comment. I do understand your reasoning for rating disagreement and would, on second thought, perhaps lower my perception of the rating to PG-13+. On your thoughts regarding cuts, I do see the trend you mention in short log intros and respect your decision in this as well. Thank you for taking my concerns into consideration and replying in this manner. I was truly happy to see Lucifer's circle of contacts broadening during this recent event and I hope it may be something to be repeated in the future.
Having played a God-mode-y character myself in the past (Death from another Takarazuka musical), I agree that getting involved in so many canons can be difficult, especially since the information people share in permission posts isn't always easily deciphered. Just as a suggestion, I could imagine that if there are characters you would be interested in interacting with, but aren't sure how to work their canons or the information they have given in your permission post, PMing their muns about the specific thoughts/memories/etc that Lucifer would pick up on would be a direct and easy way to get CR started without having to sit down and watch an hour of various clips and what not.
:)
Please continue to take care and have fun with your character. Don't let bitchy anons get to you, although - having been on the receiving end of wank in the past - I know it can be demotivating and difficult to move past.
First off, I wanted to thank you for the work and dedication you put into the most recent plot with Lucifer. In response to the many wanky anon comments that have been about your gameplay, I was very impressed to see you embrace the crit implied and playing with the game in whole.
Secondly, I have an issue that I have wanted to bring up for quite a while, but that I simply haven't had the time to sit down and address. Back when this entry was made, I contacted the mods to ask whether my concerns were valid, a question they affirmed. My greatest concern with this entry is that it was neither lj-cut nor warned for, despite featuring explicit BDSM material (not only do we see Jinx' corset rings, but Lucifer also makes a show of their use). I am no prude (as may be obvious from the amount of sex logs I have going myself), I swear, and I like smut and sexual content as much as the next girl, but to see it splashed onto your friend's list without even an lj-cut is not good RP etiquette, if you ask me, and also against Adstringendum's rules, as given below:
RATINGS. We have no rating for the game, but as a rule of thumb, anything that would be considered rated R and above by American film standards (see below), at least deserves to be put under an lj-cut. NC-17 situations (smut) must be f-locked, no questions asked. There'll be no flagging of this community.
[...]
R: stands for Restricted. This is where constant use of the F-word goes, where making out (that does not get too explicit) goes. Handwaved sex would fall under this, so would a violent fight. There's indication that explicit things are happening, but they are not described blow-by-blow, and are even glossed over.
NC-17: This is what graphic material falls under. It stands for ‘No Children under 17,' and clearly states the material is adult. Sex, murder, rock-and-roll, that goes under this label. The content can be disturbing or questionable, and is not to be read by minors. Everything is explicit.
The above-mentioned entry in particular concerned me, but also how you seem very consistent in not lj-cutting your logs in the log community, albeit rules imply that it is courteous thing to do. Since Jinx!mun is the one who has posted most of your explicit logs, I am happy to see them cut, warned for and friends locked, but since you do log quite a bit, I would hope to see you do the same in the future.
This comment is not meant to be offensive, wanky or anything similar, it is simply the address of a concern that I have been thinking of a lot recently and in the light of the newest development in the rp anon comm thread on Adstringendum, I thought it was the right time to bring to you personally.
Best regards,
S. (Mireille!mun)
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Working backwards in my reply here.... Thank you for bringing this to me personally. I only read the anoncomm when one of my friends mentions something specific, so if you had posted it there I either wouldn't have seen it or by that point wouldn't have been willing to take it as a serious concern (so much of anoncomm is wank baiting).
For LJ cuts, they're usually done as a courtesy if the post is over two paragraphs long. Mine are typically started with one or two sentences, so an lj-cut wouldn't save any space at all on the flist page. I'm not verbose, especially in starting logs, which is sort of a courtesy in itself XD If I write any that are over two paragraphs I'll make sure I cut them, though.
As for that specific log I'm sorry if it offended you. I disagree on the rating, personally; the mentions of the piercings were far less explicit than what you would find on primetime tv (I'm thinking of CSI, Law&Order, and even Bones specifically). I deliberately avoided graphic descriptions and Lucifer and Jinx tend to share only veiled implications of what they do in locked threads. But that being said, the rating isn't the problem if it hurt someone. If something is technically rated PG but is still offensive, then it's still a problem. I do sincerely apologize if you or anyone else was offended by it, I've been playing Lucifer long enough that I tend to be loose in my judgment of what might step on toes. I'll be more careful in the future.
Again, thank you for bringing this to me here, I really do appreciate it. This is a much more reliable avenue for me; when I first started playing Lucifer I was actually very active with him, but it requires a lot of research on other canons and I've become reluctant to put so much time into threads. I hadn't even realized I was excluding people or that it looked deliberate until people brought it up to me one-on-one like this.
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Having played a God-mode-y character myself in the past (Death from another Takarazuka musical), I agree that getting involved in so many canons can be difficult, especially since the information people share in permission posts isn't always easily deciphered. Just as a suggestion, I could imagine that if there are characters you would be interested in interacting with, but aren't sure how to work their canons or the information they have given in your permission post, PMing their muns about the specific thoughts/memories/etc that Lucifer would pick up on would be a direct and easy way to get CR started without having to sit down and watch an hour of various clips and what not.
:)
Please continue to take care and have fun with your character. Don't let bitchy anons get to you, although - having been on the receiving end of wank in the past - I know it can be demotivating and difficult to move past.
Best regards,
S.
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