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[oudeteron]

I would like to show you a videoclip that started out merely as promotion of European cinema but has already attracted an inordinate amount of controversy. Why? Just watch:

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These scenes are taken from critically acclaimed films, and yet some people are calling the video "porn" and protesting against it

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[remeciel]

some people are calling the video "porn" and protesting against it.

So. They think there's something wrong with making love? damn. How come? *g*
More seriously. It seems that some do love ranting and complaining about nothing. It's the human nature. But instead of being interested by what should matter now, ie, pollution, greenhouse effect or such, we definitely can't help them to become a bit intelligent.

[oudeteron]

How come, indeed! xD

Really, I just think it's totally pointless to complain about something that doesn't even hurt anybody. (Also, I'd like to know how most of those hardcore moralists manage to have so many children if sex just doesn't exist in their world. -Damn, I talk like House.) What made me angry about the issue is that some people still seem to think that quality depends on content and that just because they consider something immoral, everyone else should have the same opinion. That's nonsense, to put it mildly (especially the first part). They should go read a bit of Oscar Wilde; maybe that would serve as an eye-opener.

[remeciel]

*shrugs* it's like they don't know what to do of their spare time. And ocne they think they're right, you can't expect them to understand the directors or artists' POVs; for them, all that shows a tiny bit of skin is a sin.
What do they think? that people wait for their marriage to lose their virginity? that's absurd.

And we shall have them read Wilde one day. Maybe one day... if they know how to read. Because beign so stupid does imply a low rate in education. *g* /bitter rant

[oudeteron]

Oh, I've always thought some people have too much time on their hands if they can't use it for anything better than ranting like this. I absolutely agree that they most likely can't see it from the artists' perspective. And I wouldn't be surprised if they were still concerned about pre-marital sex. (Hey, but isn't that discrimination if certain people shouldn't be allowed to marry at all according to their beliefs? XD)

I suppose they know how to read...just not what to read to broaden their horizons. But then again, being informed/educated about things does come after personal feelings for some folks... *sighs*

[remeciel]

The opinion of any artist when it comes to the body is likely to be criticised anyway. You can't raise the little finger as we say in French without being attacked by some stupid people. They are so-called open-minded, but dear, they must be the most narrow-minded people ever.

I would like them to read some more, really. Most people who like to read tend to be a bit more intelligent. ;D

[oudeteron]

I think that's exactly it. I've seen some "unbiased" comments on controversial films and some of those so-called reviewers were really obvious about not liking the subject, even though they were trying to mask it. Seriously, I don't know why the content itself should matter so much if the movie is good. (And it's not just about movies, for that matter.)

Of course people who read diverse stuff tend to be clever! But maybe we're switching the cause and the consequence - first one is intelligent and then one starts to benefit from it. Still, I'm afraid nothing can guarantee open-mindedness...

[remeciel]

The contents of any film does not matter for some as long as there is what they call a "porn" moment. It could be an very artistic moment, but any opinion for those people, even if explained calmly and logically won't get enough impact at all - if not. :/

[oudeteron]

That's a good point. I've had my share of trying to debate calmly with people who were heatedly anti-something and got no effect whatsoever from them. It's such a bloody waste of time! But it's their loss if they don't want to see a good movie. I suppose it must be a great shock for them that not everything must necessarily be G-rated.

[remeciel]

That's really no use, believe me. Only people who are willing to listen to you will listen to you. Others who think they've got the right to insult anything they don't understand would probably never hear you.
Look I tried first with one my students, remember? and I was fired for this. :/

[oudeteron]

I suppose you're right. My own experience with this is pretty much the same, so I really have no reason not to trust you on this. *sighs*

And that's still so horrible to think you could get fired for something that's totally harmless in itself. I'm sure teachers who rant about some conservative moral principles would never be in danger because of what they preach!

[remeciel]

That's a horrible truth to deal with, really. I think I could change people's POVs if I can bring them clearly and seriously arguments to talk about, but... let's say this week-end for instance learn me wrong again. :/ (and it wasn't about homosexuality or bisexuality at all, it was just about travelling in another country.)

I learn something out of all this as for my job: the less people know about me, the better it is.

[oudeteron]

What, you mean you've talked to someone who was biased against travelling abroad? That's just absurd. Pretty much everyone travels these days! But then again, I can't say I've never met anyone who hated travelling, either. I really don't know what those people think they're doing by shutting themselves away from a chance to experience new things.

Anyway, it truly is better for some people to know as little about you as possible. How else would I deal with some of my classmates, after all?

[remeciel]

Not exactly biased (quite the contrary), but I couldn't express my opinion as for the dangers of travelling in some cases. It was just... that I hated when the person in front of me kept cutting my sentences and didn't care about my POV.
So, if in such situations, as for general subjects such as travelling, people are not willing to hear me, I won't bother to start arguing at all. :/

I don't know about you, but my school years weren't the best at all. It was only at uni that I could truly express myself without being considered as weird. I think it's the only place so far where I felt at ease.

[oudeteron]

Oh, I see. That's really annoying if you're trying to make a point but the other person won't even let you get to it. It's really no use to argue in this case, I guess. I'd like to know some tactic that would help against this...

My school years have been bad for the most part, too. I don't pay attention to it anymore, but I think half the class I'm in is still hostile towards me for some reason. It used to really bother me because I couldn't figure out what I'd done wrong, but in the end I understood that you don't have to actually do anything to make some people hate you. Now I'm content with the friends I have at school (since I know we'd be friends even if we didn't attend the same school together) and don't give a damn about those who still think they just have to dislike me. If they want to go on hating someone who doesn't care at all, they have only their own stupidity to blame. xD

[remeciel]

You don't know how many times I tried to start a conversation and how many times I was cut. Then, I just gave up and watched TV.

Same thing here. When I was a teenager (second or their year at high-school), half of the class was hostile to me. Don't ask me why, some people just like to dislike others when they are willing to waste their time. *g*

Now, I'm saying that, but I used to dislike someone when I was studying Japanese and who was in the same class as I. I had no reason whatsoever to dislike her. I think I had a good intuition, though: when she was pregnant (during her studies and though she was barely 19... poor son of hers!), she kept on smoking. *headdesk*

[oudeteron]

Yeah, sometimes it saves a lot of energy if you just don't bother.

Looks like our school years really are a bit similar. I guess this is something that always happens at school - someone has to play the victim to the class as a whole. But when I made it clear I wasn't willing to even count myself as a part of the class if that shit continued, the situation got somewhat better. Hey, I'm at school to study and see the friends I actually have there.

Ugh, some people have no responsibility. If she's not willing to quit smoking, she must know it affects the child nowadays! I just don't get why anyone would ruin their life chain themselves to parental duties even before they turn twenty. What a horrid idea... *shudders*