when fandom breaks your heart

[orangerful]

The Writer Who Made Me To Love Comics Taught Me To Hate ThemJust finished reading this opinion piece from Polygon about Frank Miller and his history of writing big comics but also how, as the years went on, it became clear he had issues with women, among other things

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[xfirefly9x]

This put me off Lostprophets...

[orangerful]

Yeah, that would render me unable to listen to a band's music ever again.

[a_phoenixdragon]

I guess I'm still in the (horrid) category of handwaving it and forgiving it because of the timeframe it was made in. Viewing it as it was intended and seeing that no harm was intended. Unless it is massively blantant and INTENDED to harm. Then I have less forgiveness.

*HUGS*

[thistle_chaser]

'Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure' and getting turned off when they started to call each other 'fags' anytime they showed affection for each other.

Oh wow, really? Ugh. I haven't seen the movie since it came out, but I remember liking it at the time. I don't remember that at all. Ugh!

[orangerful]

I adored both of the Bill & Ted movies as a kid so it was a little jarring to hear them tossing around that word. I'm sure I didn't even know what it really meant when I saw the movie but it makes it a little harder to enjoy now.

[author_by_night]

(First, full disclosure, I don't read Batman and I'm not a comic person in general, so I couldn't really follow the article. So nothing in here is in reference to it.)

By fandom are you mostly talking about creators? Or things the fandom itself has done?

There will always be the "metal bikini problem", among other things, but in the end I can still watch Star Wars and love it.

The thing with Star Wars too is that it was written and filmed in the 70's and 80's, so there's a certain amount of values dissonance. Even in the 90's there were things in media that would not be okay now. Like Bill and Ted. Not that you shouldn't still be bothered by it, but... that's the risk you take with watching older stuff, I guess? Because yeah, it can be pretty ugly. (Although I dunno, I feel like even for the 80's the "f-g" thing is a little much. But maybe not...)

Any writers, actors, musicians that you were a big fan of as a kid but then you found out more and became aware that the person behind the stories wasn't all that great?Ann M. Martin. I

[orangerful]

I probably misused the word fandom, I'm thinking more about the shows, the creators, the actors, the things we obsess over. The actual people involved in fandom would be a whole other issue.

Ann M. Martin is a good example. I know I was enjoying the 'Legend of the Seeker' show and thought about reading the books but then my friend told me about the author and his political views and I opted to not read them and hoped the show was disconnected enough for it to not be an issue (and then the show got cancelled so...shit).

[author_by_night]

Oh, no, it's fine. People actually use the word like that a lot. I got what you meant after I asked, actually, but forgot I'd asked.

I mean, considering the comments pointing out celebrities and writers who're racist and homophobic and have actually hurt people (see: Bill Cosby), AMM is pretty harmless. But it's definitely an example of realizing, in hindsight, that the things the writer apparently wanted you to go along with make you go "whuh?"

[author_by_night]

Oh, no, it's fine. People actually use the word like that a lot. I got what you meant after I asked, actually, but forgot I'd asked.

I mean, considering the comments pointing out celebrities and writers who're racist and homophobic and have actually hurt people (see: Bill Cosby), AMM is pretty harmless. But it's definitely an example of realizing, in hindsight, that the things the writer apparently wanted you to go along with make you go "whuh?"

[femme_slash_fan]

There are so many films and TV shows I love that are problematic and I always end up just face-palming and groaning like 'uUUUUGH' but I still go back and watch them.

Worst for this is probably Star Wars for the bikini thing... but then Leia is such a strong character it doesn't really take much away from her because even in that metal thong she chokes Jabba... so I kinda forgive it.

[orangerful]

I feel like Star Wars manages to be okay because, while the bikini happened, and the people *watching* might have been leering at Fisher's body, no one in the movie really does that except for Jabba, and he's not a good guy so it's okay? If Han or Luke (ew) had made a comment about the outfit, it would have probably caused more issues but in the end, it is a fantasy movie for "kids" so the sexuality is pretty subdued.

[author_by_night]

Yeah. Leia is a very kickass female character, so that helps. And you make a good point that only Jabba is really creepy about it. Who, as you also point out, is strangled by Leia.

[femme_slash_fan]

I feel like Leia was the first time I really went 'Women can be kick-ass too' so, even with the bikini thing... they still gave girls a fairly strong role-model.