the new Journal and such
anonymous
March 14 2009, 20:15:28 UTC
Hi you alls! This is dried cranberry anon and I really want to move all of that discussion away from there and onto here because we really entered into discussion of epic doom.
Just to clarify, I'm not the one who made the journal. So, to start off discussion over here, I kinda want to put my suggestions for the journal and thoughts.
About those categories.... I would like them to be changed as well. It seems unnecessarily specific and for me, it's unappropiate for a lot of them. The title itself (in my opinion) needs to be under a cut itself (i.e. oral, masturbation, etc). If it's possible, I would like comments about the categories I suggested. Gen (no romance, can include humor, nakama, and probably fun crack) Romance (this is pairings but is from G to PG 13 or 15? I'm not sure) Mature (um, this is rated PG 16 and up?) Tread lightly (I don't know if we need this category but it's like extreme porn or anything else that will probably erupt major discussion and such) Discussion (where a link from said comment that makes discussion will be put and all discussion goes through. If we have a discussion post, I'm thinking that the following should be big suggestions -please respect the other person and remain civil -be polite and if possible don't use caplocks unless is IMMENSE JOY AND AWESOME-TASTIC! -any others?
I honestly don't know about the whole sex with minors. Will it work under the categories I suggest or will it cause even more grief for people? Because, then, maybe it's better if we don't categorize at all. I wanted to do this to lessen the amount of hurt but if it's causing even more hurt then, maybe it should be deleted.
And the sorting of different characters. It just seems unfair that they are cut out for various reasons you can make for other characters so.... I'm for not dividing it by characters.
I'm willing to work with people on these categories, but like I said before if it's too harmful, then I am willing to close my idea.
I really am sorry for starting this all and causing so much more hurt and everything. I honestly didn't mean to hurt people...
Re: the new Journal and such
anonymous
March 14 2009, 22:15:58 UTC
About categories, I think we'd at least have to split up the het and the yaoi since there's been repeated complaints over the fact that people request yaoi. But I think we should put yaoi and yuri in the same categories. If you like one kind of gay, I think you should be open minded enough to at least tolerate the other.
I suggest: Gen Het romance Het mature Yaoi/yuri romance Yaoi/yuri mature Kink (or XXX or something) Discussion
I think threesomes and moresomes could either have their own category or just go in yaoi/yuri. And I personally think Chopper, tentacles, kitty Lucci etc. should go under kink/thread lightly since the majority of people see bestiality and furry as kinks. Masturbation could go either under het or yaoi/yuri depending on if the character is thinking of someone else or not and who they're thinking of. Oral should go under het mature or yaoi/yuri mature depending, since it's more or less "normal" sex these days.
I don't know what to do about the age issue either. It's difficult since we all come from different parts of the world.
Re: the new Journal and such
anonymous
March 15 2009, 17:40:07 UTC
I'm okay with this, I'm not sure about dividing the shipper categories, and I'm not sure how the yuri fans will feel about it being in with yaoi since it is less popular and would be hard to find among the yaoi prompts (though that means more categories still) but I would be personally okay with this and I am happy it is dividing things by explicitness and gender preference rather than individual kink, as I object strongly to the latter.
I agree that oral is not a kink, oral is just sex. Similarly I think kinks that are really quite regular sex acts could probably stay in mature sections but when we get to stuff that may squick (felching, lactation, whatever) put it in kink. We advise playing safe but to be prepared to put up with some crossover and blurring at the boundaries as well. And to chill, because if it's moderated at least a prompt in the wrong place can be moved.
I think the people who are complaining about the ages need to stick to the non-mature sections if they cannot scroll past the prompts that involve Usopp, Luffy, and Vivi, they are legal in a lot of countries and nobody complains about this elsewhere in the fandom (that I've seen) so why the hell should it be a point on a kink meme? I know that there are people who are going to hit me about the Chopper, but it makes a safer environment for those of us that will write the porn too if he is in kink rather than mature and people can stop bashing, as that is clearly a sticking point for many people. I personally feel that he should be allowed in romance as there's nothing wrong with him giving Robin flowers or something and people should accept that compromise. I'm honestly not sure about Brook. I don't see people complaining about him but I think he should be treated the same as Chopper for shipping purposes because if fluffy reindeer porn is kink then so is skeleton porn. I don't think Franky squicks people so much as they just don't like him, but i'd slap a 'if in doubt/handle with care' in the info at the top when it comes to using anything regarding his cyborgness as well as the human-looking devil fruit users powers.
Can I suggest making the threesomes+ category a "Mixed bag" category and including mixed yaoi/het requests, threesomes, moresomes, nakamashipping, genderbend, crossdressing. Anything that blurs het/gay divisions or gender divisions or involves more than two people. I suggest that we allow Brook and Chopper for nakamashipping as it makes no sense to have the perfect category for it and then rule them out, although the mods can frown at people who abuse this.
One more - how about a crack/ecchi category for general insanity and naughtiness that maybe doesn't feature actual sex or pair? With all characters allowed. I think there are requests that might fit into this that won't easily go anywhere else. And I personally feel that covers everything.
I also suggest a policy of warning if you post a fill that contains something that wasn't made clear in the prompt. Sometimes that happens. Probably also a good idea to check with the OP first but I think most people do that.
Re: the new Journal and such
anonymous
March 15 2009, 18:38:33 UTC
"One more - how about a crack/ecchi category for general insanity and naughtiness that maybe doesn't feature actual sex or pair?"
What exactly would go in this category? When I hear ecchi, I think of dirty old men (Brooke?) or teenage boys obsessing over panties and boobs (Chopper obeessing over Robin's boobs?). And crack... out of character?
Re: the new Journal and such
anonymous
March 15 2009, 18:47:16 UTC
I see odd naughty prompts that aren't pairing like dealing with Brook's panties thing or other things linking Chopper with sex without any indication that he's in a relationship, and I wondered if they truly belong in kink. Crack could go in gen or whichever pair, but sometimes it has sexual references without being pairing. It's not deeply important, it might only be a small category, just those were the last things I could think of that might not fit anywhere obvious.
Re: the new Journal and such
anonymous
March 15 2009, 20:09:51 UTC
I'm honestly not sure about Brook. I don't see people complaining about him but I think he should be treated the same as Chopper for shipping purposes
I think he causes less fuss because a)he's not underage and b)he's human. Just a dead one.
But yeah skeleton porn probably wouldn't belong in with the "mainstream" stuff either. I like your suggestion of allowing him and Chopper in the romance section as long as there's no sexual content, since nobody's complaining about PG fics with either of them anyway.
Just to clarify, I'm not the one who made the journal. So, to start off discussion over here, I kinda want to put my suggestions for the journal and thoughts.
About those categories....
I would like them to be changed as well. It seems unnecessarily specific and for me, it's unappropiate for a lot of them. The title itself (in my opinion) needs to be under a cut itself (i.e. oral, masturbation, etc).
If it's possible, I would like comments about the categories I suggested.
Gen (no romance, can include humor, nakama, and probably fun crack)
Romance (this is pairings but is from G to PG 13 or 15? I'm not sure)
Mature (um, this is rated PG 16 and up?)
Tread lightly (I don't know if we need this category but it's like extreme porn or anything else that will probably erupt major discussion and such)
Discussion (where a link from said comment that makes discussion will be put and all discussion goes through. If we have a discussion post, I'm thinking that the following should be big suggestions
-please respect the other person and remain civil
-be polite and if possible don't use caplocks unless is IMMENSE JOY AND AWESOME-TASTIC!
-any others?
I honestly don't know about the whole sex with minors. Will it work under the categories I suggest or will it cause even more grief for people? Because, then, maybe it's better if we don't categorize at all. I wanted to do this to lessen the amount of hurt but if it's causing even more hurt then, maybe it should be deleted.
And the sorting of different characters. It just seems unfair that they are cut out for various reasons you can make for other characters so.... I'm for not dividing it by characters.
I'm willing to work with people on these categories, but like I said before if it's too harmful, then I am willing to close my idea.
I really am sorry for starting this all and causing so much more hurt and everything. I honestly didn't mean to hurt people...
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I suggest:
Gen
Het romance
Het mature
Yaoi/yuri romance
Yaoi/yuri mature
Kink (or XXX or something)
Discussion
I think threesomes and moresomes could either have their own category or just go in yaoi/yuri. And I personally think Chopper, tentacles, kitty Lucci etc. should go under kink/thread lightly since the majority of people see bestiality and furry as kinks. Masturbation could go either under het or yaoi/yuri depending on if the character is thinking of someone else or not and who they're thinking of. Oral should go under het mature or yaoi/yuri mature depending, since it's more or less "normal" sex these days.
I don't know what to do about the age issue either. It's difficult since we all come from different parts of the world.
Just my thoughts.
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I agree that oral is not a kink, oral is just sex. Similarly I think kinks that are really quite regular sex acts could probably stay in mature sections but when we get to stuff that may squick (felching, lactation, whatever) put it in kink. We advise playing safe but to be prepared to put up with some crossover and blurring at the boundaries as well. And to chill, because if it's moderated at least a prompt in the wrong place can be moved.
I think the people who are complaining about the ages need to stick to the non-mature sections if they cannot scroll past the prompts that involve Usopp, Luffy, and Vivi, they are legal in a lot of countries and nobody complains about this elsewhere in the fandom (that I've seen) so why the hell should it be a point on a kink meme? I know that there are people who are going to hit me about the Chopper, but it makes a safer environment for those of us that will write the porn too if he is in kink rather than mature and people can stop bashing, as that is clearly a sticking point for many people. I personally feel that he should be allowed in romance as there's nothing wrong with him giving Robin flowers or something and people should accept that compromise. I'm honestly not sure about Brook. I don't see people complaining about him but I think he should be treated the same as Chopper for shipping purposes because if fluffy reindeer porn is kink then so is skeleton porn. I don't think Franky squicks people so much as they just don't like him, but i'd slap a 'if in doubt/handle with care' in the info at the top when it comes to using anything regarding his cyborgness as well as the human-looking devil fruit users powers.
Can I suggest making the threesomes+ category a "Mixed bag" category and including mixed yaoi/het requests, threesomes, moresomes, nakamashipping, genderbend, crossdressing. Anything that blurs het/gay divisions or gender divisions or involves more than two people. I suggest that we allow Brook and Chopper for nakamashipping as it makes no sense to have the perfect category for it and then rule them out, although the mods can frown at people who abuse this.
One more - how about a crack/ecchi category for general insanity and naughtiness that maybe doesn't feature actual sex or pair? With all characters allowed. I think there are requests that might fit into this that won't easily go anywhere else. And I personally feel that covers everything.
I also suggest a policy of warning if you post a fill that contains something that wasn't made clear in the prompt. Sometimes that happens. Probably also a good idea to check with the OP first but I think most people do that.
How do people feel about these then?
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What exactly would go in this category? When I hear ecchi, I think of dirty old men (Brooke?) or teenage boys obsessing over panties and boobs (Chopper obeessing over Robin's boobs?). And crack... out of character?
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I think he causes less fuss because a)he's not underage and b)he's human. Just a dead one.
But yeah skeleton porn probably wouldn't belong in with the "mainstream" stuff either. I like your suggestion of allowing him and Chopper in the romance section as long as there's no sexual content, since nobody's complaining about PG fics with either of them anyway.
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