...Basically, I only discovered PJO this time last year so I never had to wait for a release date and I'M JUST NOT COPING WITH IT AT ALL.
WELCOME TO THE CLUB, WE’VE GOT JACKETS.
For real, though, I know exactly where you’re coming from. That was me after TLO came out; fell in love with Percy, couldn’t wait to read TLH, but when it finally came, PERCY WASN’T IN IT, so then I had to wait another whole year to read about my favorite demigod again. D:<
BUT IT WAS WORTH THE WAIT, WASN’T IT??
I think SoN is my new favorite PJatO/THoO book simply because of how badass Percy is in this one. *dreamysigh* A handsome, squishy badass. Oh, I missed that boy so much!
also for the awkwardness of Hazel and Leo and the dynamic between Jason and Reyna, but even moreso I want to see Jason and Percy. There'll be awkwardness for sure, with Percy taking Jason's praetorship but I just want to fast-track to their bromance, because it's sure to be the stuff of legend.
YES!! THIS MUST BE SO! AND THEN THEY MUST GO FIND NICO SO WE CAN HAVE SONS-OF-THE-BIG-THREE SHENANIGANS! AND IT SHALL BE AWESOME! AND EPIC! AND AWESOME!
I think Percy turning down living in that praetor’s house/mansion/villa thing will probably go a long way for Jason warming up to Percy. which also makes me wonder if they have cleaning harpies b/c if not than Jay’s gonna be coming home to eight months worth of dust in his toga/bedsheets
And on that note, NICO. Boy better be alright, dammit, or by Zeus’ sandals, there shall be mutiny! You hear me, RR? Mutiny!!
And I don't know if I'm the only person to feel this way but Nico has another sister! Is this not good for him? I adore that kid and I am so okay with him not being alone in the world anymore.
I am, too. I just hope that Nico comes to realize that he didn’t have to be alone, even before Hazel. I was honestly expecting for Percy and family to have adopted him or something before all this is out. Also, am I the only one who is genuinely pissed at Bianca? Yes, she’s dead and Nico needs to learn to let go and she’s more than entitled to wanting a new life, especially since her last one was so short (discounting time spent in that casino) but she could have at least let him say goodbye! If Bianca ever shows up again (as unlikely as it is), I really hope somebody chews her out for that.
Piper was kind of bitchy to Leo in parts of TLH, always going on about how annoying he was when wah I just want to be alone with Jason. The boy just needs to be loved!
Absolutely. And that’s actually why I’m going to have to disagree with you about Leo/Reyna. Leo falling for her is totally his style, true, but if it actually happened, that would seem to me like Leo would just be getting Jason’s romantic leftovers, you know? Also, it would absolutely mess with Jason and Leo’s friendship and threats to J+L bromance shall not be tolerated!
Because ADULT DEMIGODS, GUYS. ADULT DEMIGODS. Obvs a lot of the fandom has just assumed Percy and Annabeth (and sometimes Nico, if you're a fan of that) whyyesiamthankyou will end up fending off monsters and continuing to be adorable together forever , but watching Percy realize being ~domestic with Annabeth is an actual possibility when he'd never dared hope for it before...
Considering Percy wasn’t expecting to make it past sixteen, and still is just a teenage guy, I found this a little… awkward/ooc. I have a younger brother just got his driver’s license and let me tell you, the idea of him eventually getting married/having kids is not only the absolute last thing on his mind, bringing it up is also one of the quickest, most sure-fire ways to squick him out. Wondering about it, yeah, that’s cool, that’s gonna happen, but the whole like, “yes, this, this is exactly what I want for the rest of my life” thing is… so not like any almost-seventeen year-old I’ve ever met, let alone an almost-seventeen year-old guy. Just sayin’.
Her interest in Percy was... odd? Seemed like a direct transferrence from Jason, idk.
Well, considering Jason did almost the exact same thing with his feelings for her to Piper… Maybe she just really has a thing for strong, heroic sons of the Big Three? *shrug*
She's a natural leader but she knows when to yield, which I suppose is Annabeth's problem.
Yes, this point exactly. I’m not rooting for hardship and heartbreak for Annabeth, she’s an awesome character, but this was one of the things that never sat well with me about her. She was prideful, b/c hey, everybody’s gotta have a fatal flaw, but it always grated on me how she never seemed to suffer any real consequences for her arrogance. Like, she never really had to confront her pride, you know? But Percy’s getting called on his fatal flaw left and right in SoN, about how his is going to jeopardize the Quest and all that, but Annabeth almost did the exact same thing in both BotL and TLO but no one called her on it. I’m actually hoping that she will have to pay the piper in MoA because I think it will help remove/alleviate the one quality about her that keeps me from really loving her as a character.
Reyna and Percy will work together well as praetors. I love that she trusts his judgment in the end. I really don't think their relationship needed the romantic element, but whatever. I'm hoping it's a non-event.
I beg RR for the contrary. I look forward to rumors around Camp Jupiter about Percy and Reyna hooking up lighting a fire under Jason's ass, like "better make up your mind quick who you're going after, boyo, 'cause Reyna ain't waitin' on you forever." Which will of course result in Jason using his flying powers to spy on them from the rooftops, he he he...
Okay, this I definitely see, but only in defence of Reyna and Piper being screwed with in a douchey "wah Jason has to chooooose between his girlfriends, Jason's life is so hard" scenario (I even mixed it ages before we actually met Reyna... it kind of turned out to be an Everyone-Breaks-Up-With-Jason-and-He-Is-Left-Alone-Because-He-Couldn't-Decide EP, lol) In which case, Percy's... kind of being used?
Plus, Annabeth. WHAT ABOUT MY BABY?
But lol, Which will of course result in Jason using his flying powers to spy on them from the rooftops, he he he... - you have it all worked out, don't you? :P
I do understand Bianca joining the Hunters. Brother or no, she deserved to choose her own life and live it. Bianca did leave him in Percy’s care (kinda) and Artemis promised she could visit him, so it’s not like she just dumped Nico completely. She did love him, even watched out for him even after she was dead. The problem was that she up and died before Nico had the chance to accept/adjust to her leaving, and just as he was really starting to come to grips with the fact that she was dead, because Nico was really starting to let her go and move on, Bianca up and gets reincarnated. If baby boy didn’t have abandonment issues before, he sure all hell will now.
This is like the entire fandom's headcanon though, so it's like, even if RR doesn't technically write it all in, it's fine - we all know it's true.
I’m just really hoping that Nico will know it’s true by the end. B/c he’s the one who needs to know it more than anybody else. :(
I am liking Hazel, and I do feel sorry for her (Hades’ kids always do have just the rottenest luck, don’t they?). I hope she and Leo at least become friends, though I don’t think there’ll be anything romantic between them. Hazel knows what it’s like to be a sorta stand-in for somebody else, she won’t do that to Leo.
technically Reyna and Jason were never actually a couple; she just fancied him, and there was an impression that Jason felt something for her… Granted, but I still feel like there was enough of a romantic connection between them that Reyna just up and dating Jason’s best friend would be… awkward, to say the least.
I shall have to consider this. I'm going to try to fic/fanmix this I think... I'll get back to you :) Please do! Though, just to be a troll, may I nudge you in the direction of fic? I really like fic. can we be friends so I can read some of yours? please?
Plus, I kind of feel like if your life was as fraught with uncertainty and danger as demigods' are, you'd be looking for something stable and permanent?
Dat’s tru. *nods* It’s just, Percy was the one who told Zeus that he still had a lot of life left/didn’t want to peak at sixteen (dun have TLO on me so I can’t quote him exactly), so him just bounding straight into “yeah, I want domestic bliss for the rest of my life” seems… not in keeping with him. IDK.
Percy/Reyna work as like an angsty couple of angst for sure… I just don't see how Percy/Reyna could be anything more than venting sexual frustation because they're both lonely without their respective other halves.
Actually, funny you should say that b/c poptartmuse been busy making fic and fanmix for her new favorite ship that are exactly along those lines. They can be found here:
Okay, this I definitely see, but only in defence of Reyna and Piper being screwed with in a douchey "wah Jason has to chooooose between his girlfriends, Jason's life is so hard" scenario That, and I find it poetic justice that suddenly Jason is the clingy jealous one after fandom spent an entire years trashing/characterizing Reyna as the same even though we didn’t know anything about her.
I do have more to say, but I gotta get to class now, so I’ll post the rest later, kay?
Hazel knows what it’s like to be a sorta stand-in for somebody else, she won’t do that to Leo. This is true - I feel like I could easily end up disliking her if she screws Leo around because she's clinging to a memory of Sammy. If RR goes there, he's going to have to be very careful to not make her really selfish about it.
Though, just to be a troll, may I nudge you in the direction of fic? I really like fic. can we be friends so I can read some of yours? please? Definitely! Added you :) But look don't let me give you false hope - I am terrible at converting fic ideas (of which I have many) into actual fic because I have no tiiiiiiiiimmmmee. /fanangst
BUT Percy/Reyna appears to be a new Big Ship so I definitely need to work out how I feel about it so that can be my motivation to get some Reyna fanworks finished. /nods And yes, rec away! Please do! :D Fic is great and recommended fic is even better because, you know, bad writing is not fun. /judgemental I saw those popartmuse popartmuse posts; haven't had a chance to check them out yet but I'm very keen. :) Also greenconverses is shipping Reyna/Percy now and let's not pretend, I end up shipping whatever she writes. :P
It’s just, Percy was the one who told Zeus that he still had a lot of life left/didn’t want to peak at sixteen (dun have TLO on me so I can’t quote him exactly), so him just bounding straight into “yeah, I want domestic bliss for the rest of my life” seems… not in keeping with him. IDK. Thing is, Annabeth is a massive part of that decision - remember how Percy flashes back to TTC when he was like hyperventilating when he thought Annabeth was going to join the Hunters? He recognises that that's how she is feeling on Olympus then; and even when he is momentarily tempted, he basically thinks about all the awesome advantages of apotheosis, looks at her, and says no. To Zeus. Plus he's only just sixteen when he's talking about being off to a good start with "building something permanent" with Annabeth at the very end of TLO. So, of course, you'd never assume that a teenage male character would be thinking about marrying his first girlfriend, but it's been an aspect of Percy's character since he and Annabeth first began dating.
That, and I find it poetic justice that suddenly Jason is the clingy jealous one after fandom spent an entire years trashing/characterizing Reyna as the same... Yes! That whole time I was just like, Reyna is, like, the Roman equivalent of Annabeth! If your boyfriend goes missing and comes back with another girlfriend, I think you're allowed to be upset.
...even though we didn’t know anything about her Except that she was Roman. Which everyone assumed meant straight up bitch, just because she was powerful. /grumbles
If RR goes there, he's going to have to be very careful to not make her really selfish about it.
He’s gonna have to be really careful about a lot of things, like how complicated he’s setting all the relationships up to be. Not just Leo<->Hazel<->Frank, but Piper<->Jason<->Reyna<->Percy<->Annabeth is gonna be a mess. Not to mention Greece Vs. Rome. They’re both proud, legitimate entities that have genuine beef with the other side, sorting those grievances out believably is gonna be tricky. They have to resolve their differences but still give those grievances weight enough for us to believe that these two groups have been fighting over them for thousands of years. But not too quickly either or the resolution will come off as shallow.
And speaking of the differences, Camp Jupiter and New Rome are really cool, aren’t they? I lol'd when the Romans were all like super builders, and I totally get why they're not so nitpicky about specific heritage. But b/c of that, it was much less magical that Camp Half Blood, I felt. At CHB, everybody's a demigod training to use their godly gifts, so it's like, you have Mr. D and Demeter's kids making plants grow and Hephaestus' kids making cool magic things down at the forges and Apollo's kids kicking ass in basketball because the ball always goes in. And the cabins, like Artemis' glowing at night and Apollo's glowing during the day, and the dryads melting straight out of the trees and all the pegasi. I really missed that at CJ. I also don't like the way the Romans treat their fauns (which is why I wasn't upset when Percy used them for cannon fodder during the war games, hee).
it's been an aspect of Percy's character since he and Annabeth first began dating.
That’s part of my reservation right there. They were only dating for a few months before Percy disappeared. They may have known each other for a couple years, but relationships always change when you go from friendship to dating. My mom got remarried to a guy she’s been good friends with for three decades, and even after knowing each other very well during all that time, it still changed them. B/c that’s just what happens. I guess, I just feel like Percy’s rushing into something and I’m nervous b/c I can see him getting really hurt from it and I couldn’t stand that happening to my baby. I feel like he’s setting himself up for heartbreak. I dun feel like Annabeth always treat Percy the best, either. :/
he is momentarily tempted, he basically thinks about all the awesome advantages of apotheosis, looks at her, and says no.
About that, I hope RR will have Percy examine his choice to turn down godhood a little deeper than just not wanting to leave Annabeth. It has to be more than just her. B/c there are immortals who aren’t gods (Ganymede, Eurytion, Artemis’ Hunters), so I imagine Percy could have turned Annabeth into one himself once he was a god. B/c it seems like Percy turning down the gods’ offer is going to have more consequences than we thought. Remember how indignant Hephaestus was? And that comment about how the first time Hazel saw Percy, she thought that he was a god?
Except that she was Roman. Which everyone assumed meant straight up bitch, just because she was powerful./grumbles
YES, exactly so. I plunder DA for fanart a lot and I cannot tell you how many times I’ve read comments like, “yeah, hated reyna ever since jason remembered her”. Srly guys? You’re gonna go hate a character just b/c some other dude remembered her?
And yes, rec away! Please do! :D Fic is great and recommended fic is even better because, you know, bad writing is not fun.
Actually, just fyi, once I get some free time, I’m posting a fanfic rec list on my LJ, if you’re interested. B/c I’ve had it for like five years, but I’m crap at journaling. Mostly use it to stalk fandom people, like you and greenconverses, so I thought, hey, why not use it to keep track and promote all the good fanfics I’ve found. I hope to have it up this weekend, but we’ll see.schoolsuckslikethat,alsothereasonwhyididn'tgetbacktoyoutilnow
I am terrible at converting fic ideas (of which I have many) into actual fic because I have no tiiiiiiime./fanangst
Hey dear! I'm right in the middle of exams so I'm super busy at the moment, which is why I haven't gotten back to you - but just to let you know that I haven't forgotten about this discussion, and I definitely will reply as soon as I can! :) x
Oh don't worry, I know exactly what you mean. I have the same thing going on with this girl on deviantArt where we were talking about SoN, but I haven't gotten back to her about it in like weeks because I've been so busy. Don't worry at all.
Actually, speaking of my friend, I will use this to pimp her stuff to you. Her name's Fuienu-chan, and she was some of the most awesomely adorable PJO stuff on DA. Just Sunday for Halloween, she posted this adorable little spoof comic about the SoN crew going to Frank's grandmother's house. Hazel's the hunter, Percy's the wolf, and Frank's Little Red Riding Hood. She's also got this entire Summer Camp Series full of CHB highjinks. Go check it out, it's too cute for words!
And yes, I know I am a horrible friend for supplying you with distracting PJO art while you're super busy, because I am mean and sneaky like that, ha ha ha!
HI HI OMG HI IT'S BEEN LIKE A YEAR I'M THE WORST I ACTUALLY SUCK SO BADLY BUT AHHHH MARK OF ATHENA IS OUT TODAY AND I DON'T HAVE THE BOOK YET SO CAN WE CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE I NEED MY PJO FIX WHILE I KNOW EVERYONE ELSE IS READING IT AHHHH (Hi dear, how are you?)
Just some comments I've been meaning to make -
...the Romans were all like super builders, and I totally get why they're not so nitpicky about specific heritage. But b/c of that, it was much less magical that Camp Half Blood, I felt. I hadn't really thought about this but I definitely feel the same. Reading what you wrote above about the different cabins made me miss the early CHB days so much! I need a complete reread!
I guess, I just feel like Percy’s rushing into something and I’m nervous b/c I can see him getting really hurt from it and I couldn’t stand that happening to my baby. I feel like he’s setting himself up for heartbreak. I dun feel like Annabeth always treat Percy the best, either. I think all you're saying is true, but Percy is one to rush in, which is why I don't really have a problem... Maybe assuming your first girlfriend who you start going out with when you're 16 isn't the wisest assumption, but Percy is a pretty reckless guy, and I don't have trouble believing he'd be the same way when it came to relationships. Also, RR is obviously the captain of the SS Percabeth, so I'm not worried. I hope he doesn't screw with them too much in MoA. I JUST WANT THEM TO BE HAPPY OMG THAT'S ALL I WANT.
Also, can I ask why you think Annabeth doesn't always treat Percy well? I've heard a few people say it in the fandom and I just don't see it. I mean, I also adore Annabeth entirely so I may be missing something but... like, is it a specific thing she does/doesn't do or just a vibe...?
I'm certainly interested to see if we see any deeper consequences of Percy turning the gods down...
Okay, I'm going to go read Demigod Diaries, because I haven't even read that yet... I feel so emotionally unprepared for MoA, oh my goodness! Have you been able to start reading MoA yet? SO KEEN FOR THOO DISCUSSIONS AGAIN OMG CRYING :D xx
It's a fair point, but then I know an eighteen year old guy who decided when he was sixteen that he wants to marry his girlfriend, and another eighteen-year-old couple who just got engaged, so it does happen. Plus, I kind of feel like if your life was as fraught with uncertainty and danger as demigods' are, you'd be looking for something stable and permanent?
Maybe she just really has a thing for strong, heroic sons of the Big Three? Who doesn't?
I still don't know, though. Percy/Reyna work as like an angsty couple of angst for sure but Jason didn't remember that he had an almost-maybe-girlfriend, or whatever she is until part-way through the book and even by the end of The Lost Hero as much as I can remember, it was still just a vaguely guilty feeling. I just don't see how Percy/Reyna could be anything more than venting sexual frustation because they're both lonely without their respective other halves.
I hadn't considered that, but I suppose it's true. It certainly looks like there will be consequences for her coming, though. I'm a bit scared for my baby - but if her getting called out on her fatal flaw in the next book improves your feelings towards her, I'm okay with it because I adore this girl. ♥
I'm going to answer these separately, I feel that will be easiest? :)ontothereverieOctober 11 2011, 12:39:08 UTC
BUT IT WAS WORTH THE WAIT, WASN’T IT?? SO WORTH THE WAIT. LIKE, SO MUCH. /faints
THEY MUST GO FIND NICO SO WE CAN HAVE SONS-OF-THE-BIG-THREE SHENANIGANS I NEED - I NEED.
I NEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDD.
I agree about the praetor's villa. lol How awkward would it be if Jason had turned up and had to be like, "So, Greek-equivalent-of-me, can I, like, have my stuff back?" It was characteristic of Percy to turn it down though - having him accept it would be a huge inconsistency of character. I mean, he's so awkward with attention; I liked that despite his badassness in this book, that remained the same.
As for Bianca, I do understand her decision to join the Hunters. Looking after Nico is a huge responsibility... but then, she did drop him the first opportunity... and it's not like she actually experienced all that time in the casino, because time moves differently in there... Okay, yeah... it seems a bit harsh to her baby brother. It was always going to leave Nico with abandonment issues. Idk, I don't really have any strong convictions for or against Bianca... I kind of just think about him in relation to NICO'S SQUISHINESS /squishes MY BABY HAD NO FAMILY LEFT /sob That why I'm fine with Hazel being Pluto's kid, I just don't want him to feel like he's alone - though you're right: I was honestly expecting for Percy and family to have adopted him or something before all this is out Truer words have never been spoken. This is like the entire fandom's headcanon though, so it's like, even if RR doesn't technically write it all in, it's fine - we all know it's true. :P I feel Nico will be fine in the end. (HE'D BETTER BE FINE IN THE END!) Nah, I mean, RR just given him another sister - to do anything permanently horrible to him now would just be beyond cruel. I AM SUCH AN OPTIMISTIC FAN LOL IT'S ACTUALLY EVERY THEORY I HAVE "oh RR wouldn't do that to us, surely" lol BUT HONESTLY HE COULDN'T! I do agree it's a bit upsetting that she didn't even tell him that she was going for reincarnation - he, like, lives in the Underworld. I'm sure she could've found a way to get him a message.
Leo falling for her is totally his style, true, but if it actually happened, that would seem to me like Leo would just be getting Jason’s romantic leftovers, you know? Also, it would absolutely mess with Jason and Leo’s friendship and threats to J+L bromance shall not be tolerated!
I - I... I hadn't thought of this, but it's a totally fair point. And that for sure is less than Leo deserves... Idk, I still think it could work but it would have to be handled with care... and I mean, technically Reyna and Jason were never actually a couple; she just fancied him, and there was an impression that Jason felt something for her... but idk. Hmmm... I shall have to consider this. I'm going to try to fic/fanmix this I think... I'll get back to you :)
WELCOME TO THE CLUB, WE’VE GOT JACKETS.
For real, though, I know exactly where you’re coming from. That was me after TLO came out; fell in love with Percy, couldn’t wait to read TLH, but when it finally came, PERCY WASN’T IN IT, so then I had to wait another whole year to read about my favorite demigod again. D:<
BUT IT WAS WORTH THE WAIT, WASN’T IT??
I think SoN is my new favorite PJatO/THoO book simply because of how badass Percy is in this one. *dreamysigh* A handsome, squishy badass. Oh, I missed that boy so much!
also for the awkwardness of Hazel and Leo and the dynamic between Jason and Reyna, but even moreso I want to see Jason and Percy. There'll be awkwardness for sure, with Percy taking Jason's praetorship but I just want to fast-track to their bromance, because it's sure to be the stuff of legend.
YES!! THIS MUST BE SO! AND THEN THEY MUST GO FIND NICO SO WE CAN HAVE SONS-OF-THE-BIG-THREE SHENANIGANS! AND IT SHALL BE AWESOME! AND EPIC! AND AWESOME!
I think Percy turning down living in that praetor’s house/mansion/villa thing will probably go a long way for Jason warming up to Percy. which also makes me wonder if they have cleaning harpies b/c if not than Jay’s gonna be coming home to eight months worth of dust in his toga/bedsheets
And on that note, NICO. Boy better be alright, dammit, or by Zeus’ sandals, there shall be mutiny! You hear me, RR? Mutiny!!
And I don't know if I'm the only person to feel this way but Nico has another sister! Is this not good for him? I adore that kid and I am so okay with him not being alone in the world anymore.
I am, too. I just hope that Nico comes to realize that he didn’t have to be alone, even before Hazel. I was honestly expecting for Percy and family to have adopted him or something before all this is out. Also, am I the only one who is genuinely pissed at Bianca? Yes, she’s dead and Nico needs to learn to let go and she’s more than entitled to wanting a new life, especially since her last one was so short (discounting time spent in that casino) but she could have at least let him say goodbye! If Bianca ever shows up again (as unlikely as it is), I really hope somebody chews her out for that.
Piper was kind of bitchy to Leo in parts of TLH, always going on about how annoying he was when wah I just want to be alone with Jason. The boy just needs to be loved!
Absolutely. And that’s actually why I’m going to have to disagree with you about Leo/Reyna. Leo falling for her is totally his style, true, but if it actually happened, that would seem to me like Leo would just be getting Jason’s romantic leftovers, you know? Also, it would absolutely mess with Jason and Leo’s friendship and threats to J+L bromance shall not be tolerated!
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Considering Percy wasn’t expecting to make it past sixteen, and still is just a teenage guy, I found this a little… awkward/ooc. I have a younger brother just got his driver’s license and let me tell you, the idea of him eventually getting married/having kids is not only the absolute last thing on his mind, bringing it up is also one of the quickest, most sure-fire ways to squick him out. Wondering about it, yeah, that’s cool, that’s gonna happen, but the whole like, “yes, this, this is exactly what I want for the rest of my life” thing is… so not like any almost-seventeen year-old I’ve ever met, let alone an almost-seventeen year-old guy. Just sayin’.
Her interest in Percy was... odd? Seemed like a direct transferrence from Jason, idk.
Well, considering Jason did almost the exact same thing with his feelings for her to Piper… Maybe she just really has a thing for strong, heroic sons of the Big Three? *shrug*
She's a natural leader but she knows when to yield, which I suppose is Annabeth's problem.
Yes, this point exactly. I’m not rooting for hardship and heartbreak for Annabeth, she’s an awesome character, but this was one of the things that never sat well with me about her. She was prideful, b/c hey, everybody’s gotta have a fatal flaw, but it always grated on me how she never seemed to suffer any real consequences for her arrogance. Like, she never really had to confront her pride, you know? But Percy’s getting called on his fatal flaw left and right in SoN, about how his is going to jeopardize the Quest and all that, but Annabeth almost did the exact same thing in both BotL and TLO but no one called her on it. I’m actually hoping that she will have to pay the piper in MoA because I think it will help remove/alleviate the one quality about her that keeps me from really loving her as a character.
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Reyna and Percy will work together well as praetors. I love that she trusts his judgment in the end. I really don't think their relationship needed the romantic element, but whatever. I'm hoping it's a non-event.
I beg RR for the contrary. I look forward to rumors around Camp Jupiter about Percy and Reyna hooking up lighting a fire under Jason's ass, like "better make up your mind quick who you're going after, boyo, 'cause Reyna ain't waitin' on you forever." Which will of course result in Jason using his flying powers to spy on them from the rooftops, he he he...
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Plus, Annabeth. WHAT ABOUT MY BABY?
But lol, Which will of course result in Jason using his flying powers to spy on them from the rooftops, he he he... - you have it all worked out, don't you? :P
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This is like the entire fandom's headcanon though, so it's like, even if RR doesn't technically write it all in, it's fine - we all know it's true.
I’m just really hoping that Nico will know it’s true by the end. B/c he’s the one who needs to know it more than anybody else. :(
I am liking Hazel, and I do feel sorry for her (Hades’ kids always do have just the rottenest luck, don’t they?). I hope she and Leo at least become friends, though I don’t think there’ll be anything romantic between them. Hazel knows what it’s like to be a sorta stand-in for somebody else, she won’t do that to Leo.
technically Reyna and Jason were never actually a couple; she just fancied him, and there was an impression that Jason felt something for her…
Granted, but I still feel like there was enough of a romantic connection between them that Reyna just up and dating Jason’s best friend would be… awkward, to say the least.
I shall have to consider this. I'm going to try to fic/fanmix this I think... I'll get back to you :)
Please do! Though, just to be a troll, may I nudge you in the direction of fic? I really like fic. can we be friends so I can read some of yours? please?
Plus, I kind of feel like if your life was as fraught with uncertainty and danger as demigods' are, you'd be looking for something stable and permanent?
Dat’s tru. *nods* It’s just, Percy was the one who told Zeus that he still had a lot of life left/didn’t want to peak at sixteen (dun have TLO on me so I can’t quote him exactly), so him just bounding straight into “yeah, I want domestic bliss for the rest of my life” seems… not in keeping with him. IDK.
Percy/Reyna work as like an angsty couple of angst for sure… I just don't see how Percy/Reyna could be anything more than venting sexual frustation because they're both lonely without their respective other halves.
Actually, funny you should say that b/c poptartmuse been busy making fic and fanmix for her new favorite ship that are exactly along those lines. They can be found here:
http://poptartmuse.livejournal.com/143013.html#cutid2
and here:
http://poptartmuse.livejournal.com/143342.html#cutid1
Okay, this I definitely see, but only in defence of Reyna and Piper being screwed with in a douchey "wah Jason has to chooooose between his girlfriends, Jason's life is so hard" scenario
That, and I find it poetic justice that suddenly Jason is the clingy jealous one after fandom spent an entire years trashing/characterizing Reyna as the same even though we didn’t know anything about her.
I do have more to say, but I gotta get to class now, so I’ll post the rest later, kay?
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This is true - I feel like I could easily end up disliking her if she screws Leo around because she's clinging to a memory of Sammy. If RR goes there, he's going to have to be very careful to not make her really selfish about it.
Though, just to be a troll, may I nudge you in the direction of fic? I really like fic. can we be friends so I can read some of yours? please?
Definitely! Added you :) But look don't let me give you false hope - I am terrible at converting fic ideas (of which I have many) into actual fic because I have no tiiiiiiiiimmmmee. /fanangst
BUT Percy/Reyna appears to be a new Big Ship so I definitely need to work out how I feel about it so that can be my motivation to get some Reyna fanworks finished. /nods And yes, rec away! Please do! :D Fic is great and recommended fic is even better because, you know, bad writing is not fun. /judgemental I saw those popartmuse popartmuse posts; haven't had a chance to check them out yet but I'm very keen. :) Also greenconverses is shipping Reyna/Percy now and let's not pretend, I end up shipping whatever she writes. :P
It’s just, Percy was the one who told Zeus that he still had a lot of life left/didn’t want to peak at sixteen (dun have TLO on me so I can’t quote him exactly), so him just bounding straight into “yeah, I want domestic bliss for the rest of my life” seems… not in keeping with him. IDK.
Thing is, Annabeth is a massive part of that decision - remember how Percy flashes back to TTC when he was like hyperventilating when he thought Annabeth was going to join the Hunters? He recognises that that's how she is feeling on Olympus then; and even when he is momentarily tempted, he basically thinks about all the awesome advantages of apotheosis, looks at her, and says no. To Zeus. Plus he's only just sixteen when he's talking about being off to a good start with "building something permanent" with Annabeth at the very end of TLO. So, of course, you'd never assume that a teenage male character would be thinking about marrying his first girlfriend, but it's been an aspect of Percy's character since he and Annabeth first began dating.
That, and I find it poetic justice that suddenly Jason is the clingy jealous one after fandom spent an entire years trashing/characterizing Reyna as the same...
Yes! That whole time I was just like, Reyna is, like, the Roman equivalent of Annabeth! If your boyfriend goes missing and comes back with another girlfriend, I think you're allowed to be upset.
...even though we didn’t know anything about her
Except that she was Roman. Which everyone assumed meant straight up bitch, just because she was powerful. /grumbles
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He’s gonna have to be really careful about a lot of things, like how complicated he’s setting all the relationships up to be. Not just Leo<->Hazel<->Frank, but Piper<->Jason<->Reyna<->Percy<->Annabeth is gonna be a mess. Not to mention Greece Vs. Rome. They’re both proud, legitimate entities that have genuine beef with the other side, sorting those grievances out believably is gonna be tricky. They have to resolve their differences but still give those grievances weight enough for us to believe that these two groups have been fighting over them for thousands of years. But not too quickly either or the resolution will come off as shallow.
And speaking of the differences, Camp Jupiter and New Rome are really cool, aren’t they? I lol'd when the Romans were all like super builders, and I totally get why they're not so nitpicky about specific heritage. But b/c of that, it was much less magical that Camp Half Blood, I felt. At CHB, everybody's a demigod training to use their godly gifts, so it's like, you have Mr. D and Demeter's kids making plants grow and Hephaestus' kids making cool magic things down at the forges and Apollo's kids kicking ass in basketball because the ball always goes in. And the cabins, like Artemis' glowing at night and Apollo's glowing during the day, and the dryads melting straight out of the trees and all the pegasi. I really missed that at CJ. I also don't like the way the Romans treat their fauns (which is why I wasn't upset when Percy used them for cannon fodder during the war games, hee).
it's been an aspect of Percy's character since he and Annabeth first began dating.
That’s part of my reservation right there. They were only dating for a few months before Percy disappeared. They may have known each other for a couple years, but relationships always change when you go from friendship to dating. My mom got remarried to a guy she’s been good friends with for three decades, and even after knowing each other very well during all that time, it still changed them. B/c that’s just what happens. I guess, I just feel like Percy’s rushing into something and I’m nervous b/c I can see him getting really hurt from it and I couldn’t stand that happening to my baby. I feel like he’s setting himself up for heartbreak. I dun feel like Annabeth always treat Percy the best, either. :/
he is momentarily tempted, he basically thinks about all the awesome advantages of apotheosis, looks at her, and says no.
About that, I hope RR will have Percy examine his choice to turn down godhood a little deeper than just not wanting to leave Annabeth. It has to be more than just her. B/c there are immortals who aren’t gods (Ganymede, Eurytion, Artemis’ Hunters), so I imagine Percy could have turned Annabeth into one himself once he was a god. B/c it seems like Percy turning down the gods’ offer is going to have more consequences than we thought. Remember how indignant Hephaestus was? And that comment about how the first time Hazel saw Percy, she thought that he was a god?
Except that she was Roman. Which everyone assumed meant straight up bitch, just because she was powerful./grumbles
YES, exactly so. I plunder DA for fanart a lot and I cannot tell you how many times I’ve read comments like, “yeah, hated reyna ever since jason remembered her”. Srly guys? You’re gonna go hate a character just b/c some other dude remembered her?
And yes, rec away! Please do! :D Fic is great and recommended fic is even better because, you know, bad writing is not fun.
Actually, just fyi, once I get some free time, I’m posting a fanfic rec list on my LJ, if you’re interested. B/c I’ve had it for like five years, but I’m crap at journaling. Mostly use it to stalk fandom people, like you and greenconverses, so I thought, hey, why not use it to keep track and promote all the good fanfics I’ve found. I hope to have it up this weekend, but we’ll see.schoolsuckslikethat,alsothereasonwhyididn'tgetbacktoyoutilnow
I am terrible at converting fic ideas (of which I have many) into actual fic because I have no tiiiiiiime./fanangst
STORY OF MY LIFE!!
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Actually, speaking of my friend, I will use this to pimp her stuff to you. Her name's Fuienu-chan, and she was some of the most awesomely adorable PJO stuff on DA. Just Sunday for Halloween, she posted this adorable little spoof comic about the SoN crew going to Frank's grandmother's house. Hazel's the hunter, Percy's the wolf, and Frank's Little Red Riding Hood. She's also got this entire Summer Camp Series full of CHB highjinks. Go check it out, it's too cute for words!
And yes, I know I am a horrible friend for supplying you with distracting PJO art while you're super busy, because I am mean and sneaky like that, ha ha ha!
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Just some comments I've been meaning to make -
...the Romans were all like super builders, and I totally get why they're not so nitpicky about specific heritage. But b/c of that, it was much less magical that Camp Half Blood, I felt.
I hadn't really thought about this but I definitely feel the same. Reading what you wrote above about the different cabins made me miss the early CHB days so much! I need a complete reread!
I guess, I just feel like Percy’s rushing into something and I’m nervous b/c I can see him getting really hurt from it and I couldn’t stand that happening to my baby. I feel like he’s setting himself up for heartbreak. I dun feel like Annabeth always treat Percy the best, either.
I think all you're saying is true, but Percy is one to rush in, which is why I don't really have a problem... Maybe assuming your first girlfriend who you start going out with when you're 16 isn't the wisest assumption, but Percy is a pretty reckless guy, and I don't have trouble believing he'd be the same way when it came to relationships. Also, RR is obviously the captain of the SS Percabeth, so I'm not worried. I hope he doesn't screw with them too much in MoA. I JUST WANT THEM TO BE HAPPY OMG THAT'S ALL I WANT.
Also, can I ask why you think Annabeth doesn't always treat Percy well? I've heard a few people say it in the fandom and I just don't see it. I mean, I also adore Annabeth entirely so I may be missing something but... like, is it a specific thing she does/doesn't do or just a vibe...?
I'm certainly interested to see if we see any deeper consequences of Percy turning the gods down...
Okay, I'm going to go read Demigod Diaries, because I haven't even read that yet... I feel so emotionally unprepared for MoA, oh my goodness! Have you been able to start reading MoA yet? SO KEEN FOR THOO DISCUSSIONS AGAIN OMG CRYING :D xx
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Maybe she just really has a thing for strong, heroic sons of the Big Three? Who doesn't?
I still don't know, though. Percy/Reyna work as like an angsty couple of angst for sure but Jason didn't remember that he had an almost-maybe-girlfriend, or whatever she is until part-way through the book and even by the end of The Lost Hero as much as I can remember, it was still just a vaguely guilty feeling. I just don't see how Percy/Reyna could be anything more than venting sexual frustation because they're both lonely without their respective other halves.
I hadn't considered that, but I suppose it's true. It certainly looks like there will be consequences for her coming, though. I'm a bit scared for my baby - but if her getting called out on her fatal flaw in the next book improves your feelings towards her, I'm okay with it because I adore this girl. ♥
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SO WORTH THE WAIT. LIKE, SO MUCH. /faints
THEY MUST GO FIND NICO SO WE CAN HAVE SONS-OF-THE-BIG-THREE SHENANIGANS
I NEED - I NEED.
I NEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDD.
I agree about the praetor's villa. lol How awkward would it be if Jason had turned up and had to be like, "So, Greek-equivalent-of-me, can I, like, have my stuff back?" It was characteristic of Percy to turn it down though - having him accept it would be a huge inconsistency of character. I mean, he's so awkward with attention; I liked that despite his badassness in this book, that remained the same.
As for Bianca, I do understand her decision to join the Hunters. Looking after Nico is a huge responsibility... but then, she did drop him the first opportunity... and it's not like she actually experienced all that time in the casino, because time moves differently in there... Okay, yeah... it seems a bit harsh to her baby brother. It was always going to leave Nico with abandonment issues. Idk, I don't really have any strong convictions for or against Bianca... I kind of just think about him in relation to NICO'S SQUISHINESS /squishes MY BABY HAD NO FAMILY LEFT /sob That why I'm fine with Hazel being Pluto's kid, I just don't want him to feel like he's alone - though you're right: I was honestly expecting for Percy and family to have adopted him or something before all this is out Truer words have never been spoken. This is like the entire fandom's headcanon though, so it's like, even if RR doesn't technically write it all in, it's fine - we all know it's true. :P I feel Nico will be fine in the end. (HE'D BETTER BE FINE IN THE END!) Nah, I mean, RR just given him another sister - to do anything permanently horrible to him now would just be beyond cruel. I AM SUCH AN OPTIMISTIC FAN LOL IT'S ACTUALLY EVERY THEORY I HAVE "oh RR wouldn't do that to us, surely" lol BUT HONESTLY HE COULDN'T! I do agree it's a bit upsetting that she didn't even tell him that she was going for reincarnation - he, like, lives in the Underworld. I'm sure she could've found a way to get him a message.
Leo falling for her is totally his style, true, but if it actually happened, that would seem to me like Leo would just be getting Jason’s romantic leftovers, you know? Also, it would absolutely mess with Jason and Leo’s friendship and threats to J+L bromance shall not be tolerated!
I - I... I hadn't thought of this, but it's a totally fair point. And that for sure is less than Leo deserves... Idk, I still think it could work but it would have to be handled with care... and I mean, technically Reyna and Jason were never actually a couple; she just fancied him, and there was an impression that Jason felt something for her... but idk. Hmmm... I shall have to consider this. I'm going to try to fic/fanmix this I think... I'll get back to you :)
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