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quixotic_coffee August 31 2012, 03:07:53 UTC
"It's not so hard to see - a kid looking for a father and didn't have his own - and they won't be planning to get into heavy-duty sex, but almost romantic, embracing, kissing."

No, actually that is hard to see because it's a big leap from a father figure/child relationship to sexual abuse. A normal relationship with a parent figure is not almost romantic, nor is embracing or giving someone a kiss always sexual.

This is disgusting.

And even if a minor is trying to seduce an adult (not that I think this happens to any serious extent) it's still sexual abuse. It doesn't change anything.

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kyra_neko_rei August 31 2012, 03:55:54 UTC
I'm trying to add up the double standard here and it's breaking my brain.

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quixotic_coffee August 31 2012, 04:22:58 UTC
What now?

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kyra_neko_rei August 31 2012, 06:33:23 UTC
Just . . . the position of traditional gender roles and abstinence-only sex education that they support effectively purports that when it's a man "seducing" a woman, it's her duty to refuse and if she doesn't refuse it's her fault, despite that men tend to be physically more powerful and under those same gender roles have more social authority. This is often held to be true no matter how persistent or pressuring he is about it---it's her duty as a Proper Abstinent Girl to not give in. But according to this guy, if a boy "seduces" a grown priest, the priest, despite having more authority and often more physical power, is assumed to be completely blameless in giving in. Meanwhile he's holding the boys to pretty much the same standard as the women referenced above---the letting it happen and the keeping silent about it are viewed as some kind of proof that it wasn't a real crime because if it was they would've refused harder.

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maladaptive August 31 2012, 12:51:35 UTC
I had to reread this a couple times because at first it sounded like "the kid didn't have a father, so needed to find a replacement dad to seduce."

Like. Normal father/child relationships just naturally involve romance/sex. I know people looooove the trope that having no dad around turns kids promiscuous/gay/all kinds of deviant, but at least here it really looks like they're saying the reason it happens is because the kid turns normal father/child interactions outward, and that's the deviance. Which is about as logical as "kid has no father, they're gonna be deviant."

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maladaptive August 31 2012, 12:52:35 UTC
I had to reread this a couple times because at first it sounded like "the kid didn't have a father, so needed to find a replacement dad to seduce."

Like. Normal father/child relationships just naturally involve romance/sex. I know people looooove the trope that having no dad around turns kids promiscuous/gay/all kinds of deviant, but at least here it really looks like they're saying the reason it happens is because the kid turns normal father/child interactions outward, and that's the deviance. Which is about as logical as "kid has no father, they're gonna be deviant."

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mirhanda August 31 2012, 17:11:08 UTC
Yeah, I had a great dad, but we never engaged in any "almost romantic, embracing, kissing". How gross.

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moonbladem August 31 2012, 18:46:32 UTC
... a kid looking for a father and didn't have his own - and they won't be planning to get into heavy-duty sex, but almost romantic, embracing, kissing."

What kind of twisted mind sees a father/child relationship and uses the word 'romantic'?

So not only could he be a pedophile himself, but he thinks incest naturally happens between a parent and child? Because that's what I'm getting from that sentence.

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