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TW: rape screamingintune August 21 2012, 08:31:40 UTC
the "forcible" qualifier to "rape" seems redundant. Rape by it's very definition is forced. Do lawmakers realize by trying to divide it up that they're putting across the message that a woman has to look like she's been in a violent brawl to know she's been raped? Are women expected to physically fight as much as possible, even though it could get them badly injured or killed?

A family friend was raped earlier this year when she went on a date with a guy from match.com, and when my mom told me about it, she said that the police told her that it was good she had bruises and injuries, because then people would believe it and a conviction was more likely. So that's where we are as a society -- grateful for physical injury, otherwise that rapist will walk. Disgusting. Really sick of living in a world that hates women.

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Re: TW: rape muizenstaartje August 21 2012, 08:45:21 UTC
That's horrible. Horrible that she was raped and horrible that she was told she was lucky, because she got additional physical injuries.
This is not how it should be.

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Re: TW: rape thelilyqueen August 21 2012, 13:05:20 UTC
Yep, we are, because at least then we would have died 'defending our honor' or somesuch. Or angels would come and save us. Take your pick.

It is, I have to admit, easier to prove that whatever happened was not consensual if there are physical injuries. Unless it was caught on tape, witnessed, etc. threats and other sorts of coercion don't leave evidence that can be entered into a court register. I'm not sure how to get around that.

What needs to stop right. fecking. now. is the assumption that rape victims are lying, and in particular the framing of underage girls as 'Lolitas' who seduced those poor, bewildered 50 year old men.

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Re: TW: rape chaya August 21 2012, 19:17:13 UTC
the "forcible" qualifier to "rape" seems redundant.

In some situations "forcible rape" distinguishes between other kinds of rape such as rape through blackmail, or rape of someone who cannot consent (asleep, intoxicated, too young, etc). This is not to say that these are not all kinds of legitimate rape, of course. And as you've said there are a lot of people (most often men) who do have some sick notion that if you don't fight 'til you're knocked out or half-dead, you didn't "try hard enough" to get away. These are also usually the guys that don't view any kind of non-forcible rape (such as rape of a woman who's blacked out) to really "count"...

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Re: TW: rape metatrix August 21 2012, 22:01:44 UTC
IMO, statutory rape does not necessarily have to be 'forcible' rape. Imagine the scenario where a 15 year old girl willingly has sex with her 19 year old boyfriend, and then her parents press charges when they find out. It is legally statutory rape, because according to the law, she does not have the capacity to consent to the sex. But I would agree it isn't forcible rape, because there isn't any element of explicit or implicit coercion. Or to take it a step further -- imagine the girl even lies about her age and says she is 18 years old. There is definitely no coercion there.

That is the only scenario I can think of, though, that I would classify as non-forcible rape.

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