21 Pictures That Will Restore Your Faith In Humanity

[chaya]

1. This picture of Chicago Christians who showed up at a gay pride parade to apologize for homophobia in the Church.

Comments

[squeeful]

Didn't the group from #1 turn out to be frauds? I remember seeing those photos before.

[chaya]

Link?

[redstar826]

I was just about to ask the same thing. I think it was later revealed that they really weren't all that gay friendly after all (they still believe it is a sin or something like that)

[13chapters]

I remember that too...let's see how good at googling i am.

Okay, here we go.

Another critique.

They're called the Marin Foundation and they're based in Chicago, if you want to google for more.

[chaya]

[13chapters]

on the upside, I'm awesome at googling? :D

...okay i'm going away now.

[kira_snugz]

yay for googling powers!

[redstar826]

awwww, the rest of this post is really cool though, so don't feel bad! <3

[chaya]

<3!

[livinghope]

Yeah, this is pretty much why I give these people a wide berth and major side-eye at Pride.

[vvalkyri]

hm. Exaggerating how close folk are or who comes to your seminars is not a very nice thing, but I'm not sure I agree with the thesis, there.

It seems to be trying to say that unless the churchfolk decide they biblically approve it doesn't matter whether or not they act against denying human rights, encouraging homophobic acts and slurs, etc.

I think a decent parallel would be this: I am Jewish. I am not particularly observantly Jewish. I have relatives who are Orthodox. On the one hand, given half a chance, they'd love to get me to not eat trayf or drive on the sabbath. I'm not going to eat trayf or drive on the sabbath directly in front of them, and they're not going to make a big issue of it, otherwise. Do they think I'm sinning? Sure. Do they try to force me to act and believe as they do? No. Are there others who would try to? Yes, and I'm pretty sure I saw articles about that here on ONTD.

[edit: I'll note that I skimmed the article pretty quickly as I should have closed the computer half an hour ago, minimum]

[13chapters]

IMHO, comparing eating trayf to being queer is not a great analogy. There aren't any groups out there trying to stop you from getting married or bullying you because you eat cheeseburgers. And I always kind of sideeye analogies between something that you do, like keep kosher, and something that is part of an identity, like being LBGT.

I haven't had my tea yet, so maybe I'm not thinking this through entirely, though.

[vvalkyri]

for the orthodox family it is their identity. but i hadn't had coffee yet, either.

I also think by talking/writing: lemme try again.

It /sounds/ like this group does not approve of bullying folk for being LGBT, and does not plan to try to force people to be straight, and is saying they do not approve of violent actions or words, unlike other evangelicals. It's a good point that they're probably also not lobbying for marriage equality. But what /I'm/ looking sideeyed at is the concept that "unless you wholly approve and change your interpretation of whether X is ok in your own religion you might as well be still trying to kill us for who we are"

[chaya]

Pretending to be totally enlightened and buddy buddy while still believing that we're going to hell doesn't deserve a cookie. We have every right to side-eye how they exaggerate their connections with our community and the fact that they subscribe to a belief that promotes violence against us and self-loathing within our young people.

[vvalkyri]

yep. I said in my first response that the exaggerating how buddy buddy etc seemed off.

[chaya]

Yeah, and it's not just 'off', it's enough reason to deserve our distrust.