Canadians: protest bill C-11!

Mar 07, 2012 13:29

This is a bit old but I didn't see anything on this so I thought I would post this article. I can't believe I haven't heard of this before. Where are the media on this (as in all over it)???
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'Bill C-11 has disgruntled Canadians taking action' (Feb 9th, 2012)

When news of the threat Bill C-11 potentially poses ( Read more... )

oh not this shit again, all your post are belong to us, canada, oh shit the internet is here, stephen harper, censorship, internet/net neutrality/piracy

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watchsnowfall March 7 2012, 21:56:54 UTC
Actually, this WAS all over the news, and it promptly got swept under the rug with Bill C-30, robo-calling, etc.

It's pretty annoying because most people are just like OMFG CANADIAN SOPA~~~ when really, no, it's more nuanced than that. It IS updating the copyright law, and no it is not all bad - it does, for example, extend fair dealing of copyrighted material for educational purposes, with the exception of digitally locked material. Yet SO many critics fail to pinpoint exactly what's wrong with this bill. It doesn't need to be completely scrapped, but it does need to be modified.

I thought CIPPIC had the best take.

The Government of Canada announced a new copyright bill this morning, entitled the Copyright Modernization Act. The government claims it is identical to Bill C-32, which the Conservative minority tabled last year. This bill proposes many important updates to Canadian copyright law. If passed, it will legalize activities that Canadians already do on a daily basis: record television, copy songs onto MP3 players, and make backups of DVDs. The bill contains provisions to legalize the ordinary digital activities of many internet services, such as search engines and websites. It also importantly extends fair dealing to include education, parody and satire.

In any case, Bill C-30 quite frankly is way more troubling in terms of civil liberties than C-11.

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soleiltropiques March 8 2012, 00:01:57 UTC
"Actually, this WAS all over the news, and it promptly got swept under the rug with Bill C-30, robo-calling, etc."

Well, it wasn't at some places, because I follow the news but didn't hear of it! :-) But you're right, it must be partly because of other things that came to the fore.

"It's pretty annoying because most people are just like OMFG CANADIAN SOPA~~~ when really, no, it's more nuanced than that. It IS updating the copyright law, and no it is not all bad - it does, for example, extend fair dealing of copyrighted material for educational purposes, with the exception of digitally locked material. Yet SO many critics fail to pinpoint exactly what's wrong with this bill. It doesn't need to be completely scrapped, but it does need to be modified."

Interesting. I will say, with all due respect, that if you look at my post above this was not MY reaction. I thought that we need to protest this as it is now and I still do.

"In any case, Bill C-30 quite frankly is way more troubling in terms of civil liberties than C-11."

Um, what is your point, then? That we shouldn't bother protesting C-11? I think we should, as it seems to me that the one does not negate the other. *shrug*

'Four things Canadians should be out there protesting'.

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watchsnowfall March 8 2012, 06:44:39 UTC
Honestly, you didn't read the papers then. The Toronto Star & Globe and Mail all ran stories about C-11, not my fault you missed it.

Yes, there are problems with C-11, but labeling it Canadian SOPA, which is in the FIRST PARAGRAPH YOU LINKED, is overkill.

And yes, okay, point. But do you want to protest a bill that doesn't let you unlock "locked" material you've already bought (which happens anyways and is essentially near impossible to police) or a bill that allows the police to seize your information from your ISP without a warrant? Where's your post on C-30 then, if you're so interested in ~protesting~?

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soleiltropiques March 8 2012, 17:09:49 UTC


"The Toronto Star & Globe and Mail all ran stories about C-11, not my fault you missed it."

Did I blame you for missing it? You know, I don't know if you're aware of this, but your tone is rather aggressive and condescending here. And I did read the papers -did you read all the papers there were on those days, so as to be qualified to say that it was EVERYWHERE?

I don't read the Toronto Star and Globe and Mail on a regular basis, sorry. I get my news from a variety of sources, several of which are in French.

"Yes, there are problems with C-11, but labeling it Canadian SOPA, which is in the FIRST PARAGRAPH YOU LINKED, is overkill."

All right, you disagree with these articles, that's fine.

Why don't you point to the sections in the bill which go against what these commentators are arguing for (I will also point out here that I was not the writer of the original articles)? Here is a link to the full text of the bill.

The problem I see with your argument is that, while I heartily agree that I'm no legal expert nor an expert on this bill, YOU STILL HAVE NOT REALLY PROVIDED VERY GOOD PROOF OF YOUR ASSERTIONS. You provided a link to one article -so what? I provided links too. Who is to say which is better? With all due respect, I have difficulty accepting your simple assertion that 'your link is better'.

"And yes, okay, point. But do you want to protest a bill that doesn't let you unlock "locked" material you've already bought (which happens anyways and is essentially near impossible to police) or a bill that allows the police to seize your information from your ISP without a warrant? Where's your post on C-30 then, if you're so interested in ~protesting~?"

Oh good grief. You really seem bent and determined on being rude and uncouth here, don't you?

I'm not interesting in *protesting*, as you so condescendingly put it. It is that I think that there are several issues in Canada which we should be protesting, because I think these are of considerable importance.

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watchsnowfall March 8 2012, 06:46:56 UTC
Also, you're linking me your personal journal for ~four thing I should be protesting~? Sorry, but who the fuck are you? So far your opinions have done nothing to inspire me about you being well-informed.

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romp March 8 2012, 07:25:11 UTC
damn, take a deep breath

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watchsnowfall March 8 2012, 07:32:23 UTC


how cute, internet back-up arrived~

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romp March 8 2012, 07:57:48 UTC
I knew it! You're a Con plant seeking to alienate those discussing both bills! Which is good because I'd be bummed if you were critical of these bills but only able to attack your allies.

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soleiltropiques March 8 2012, 17:11:17 UTC
I agree. This person didn't really seem interested in *backing up* their arguments.

Just saying.

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soleiltropiques March 8 2012, 17:12:02 UTC
I also honestly don't see why this person is being so aggressive. *shakes head*

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soleiltropiques March 8 2012, 16:56:51 UTC
Um... I posted that link to, yes, my own lj simply to show that I was aware of and agreed with the fact that (i) there are other issues than C-11 that people are protesting at the moment, and (ii) that I was aware of C-30.

Obviously I never claimed to be any kind of authority and was simply pointing out what my own personal opinion was.

I honestly don't see why you found it necessary to respond in such a discourteous way, however.

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