They aren't that different, though. That's why all kosher meat is halal. I think it's mostly the prayers said over the meat that's different in the long run.
Yeah, I can't find kosher meat here very well, either. Not without going way up into the cities to get it, which by the time I'd be able to get it home, it'd certainly have spoiled.
Also, thank you for the link. Will be reading now. :)
It affects both, yes, and they are different but I think it's not wild to wonder (which is what I think sesmo's getting at) if Muslims are the real target of the ban, with kosher-observant Jews serving as a distraction/smoke screen; only banning halal meat would be too obvious, especially when I'm not sure how one would argue that one set of practices is significantly more or less humane.
1) Nobody really cares about looking obvious. Western European countries are banning burqas and minarets left and right. When they want to target Muslims, they target Muslims.
2) Saying "Jews are just a distraction" demonstrates remarkable ignorance of anti-Semitism, both in the present day and its very long and ugly history in Western Europe.
I didn't intend to imply I thought kosher-observant Jews are just a distraction. More that I could see how including them in the ban could muddy the waters a bit, and would be added douchery for the anti-Semites you mention. I haven't researched this particular ban enough at this point (and my brain should be asleep) to assert much of anything about it as fact besides that it's religiously discriminatory and the animal rights arguments they're trying to use are logic-missing.
You are right to bring up the burqua and minaret bans as evidence they don't care much about being obvious, but (I'm less familiar with the minaret issue) with the burqua they did bother to make excuses about ability to ID people, women's rights, etc. Transparent as all get out, but...
No, the ban is against unanesthetised (?) slaughter. The ban was intended against Muslims, not Jews. But because the parties didn't do their research properly it was found that Muslims can slaughter with anesthetics but not Jews. The far right party of NL is pro-Jewish so they're scrambling and working themselves up in a tizzy because this measure makes them look bad.
If you think this ban was intended against Jews and not Muslims you don't know anything about the current political climate in the Netherlands. I would request for your sake you refrain from commenting further on this topic.
(And don't start about anti-semitism. I'm highly aware of it's history both here locally and in Europe as a whole.)
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Also, thank you for the link. Will be reading now. :)
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2) Saying "Jews are just a distraction" demonstrates remarkable ignorance of anti-Semitism, both in the present day and its very long and ugly history in Western Europe.
So, again: No.
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You are right to bring up the burqua and minaret bans as evidence they don't care much about being obvious, but (I'm less familiar with the minaret issue) with the burqua they did bother to make excuses about ability to ID people, women's rights, etc. Transparent as all get out, but...
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If you think this ban was intended against Jews and not Muslims you don't know anything about the current political climate in the Netherlands. I would request for your sake you refrain from commenting further on this topic.
(And don't start about anti-semitism. I'm highly aware of it's history both here locally and in Europe as a whole.)
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Then, remind me next Wednesday and I'll buy you two months.
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