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Sep 21, 2011 11:58

The gender-free British passport: UK travellers may no longer have to declare their sex, to spare feelings of 'transgender people'

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fog_dancer September 21 2011, 11:27:04 UTC
Supporters say it will solve the problem of embarrassing situations at border controls, where people whose sex appears to differ from that in their passport are grilled for long periods by guards.

Won't that still happen for people who have gone through/are going through sex-change and therefore look differently to their pictures?

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chasingtides September 21 2011, 11:41:54 UTC
It's easier, often, to update the photo on your ID than the gender marker.

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fog_dancer September 21 2011, 12:20:12 UTC
Ah, I see. I assumed it was more or less the same procedure.

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mephisto5 September 21 2011, 12:40:12 UTC
Getting a gender recognition certificate is a complete pain in the arse.

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splitcomplex September 21 2011, 11:39:41 UTC
I love the scare quotes around transgender and intersex.

Fail harder, Daily Mail.

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barankhy September 21 2011, 11:41:39 UTC
Fail harder, Daily Mail.
Is that even possible at this point?
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Okay, obviously, it is, but damn, that is some prime grade fail right there.

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riath September 21 2011, 12:00:24 UTC
At this point, they may as well just change their title to Daily Fail. Failing is all they seem to do.

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suzycat September 21 2011, 12:31:50 UTC
I hate the Fail possibly more than I hate the Westboro Baptist Church.

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lady_deirdre September 21 2011, 11:40:03 UTC
One backbench MP, Julian Huppert, said: ‘There does not seem to be a need for identity documents of any kind to have gender information. It is not a very good biometric; it is roughly a 50:50 split. Military ID, such as the MOD90, which obviously can have quite a high security clearance, contains no gender information. That might be what we should look at.’ Why is it even important, outside of your dating life, to know what gender someone is? There is as much difference in appearance among people of the same gender, as there is between genders. It holds absolutely no clue useful for identification, so it's useless for security purposes.

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devilstay September 21 2011, 11:42:40 UTC
'We don't need another identity crisis' > 'In all these cases the gender can be established, whether an individual likes it or not'.

I don't think you know what you're writing about, seeing to the fact, that identity problems STEM from a society that forces it's people to chose identifies that they do not want, or are not sure about.

Daily Fail please gtfo, you need to stop.

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suzycat September 21 2011, 12:30:50 UTC
Did you know it was the Fail from the standfirst? I did. I swear, if the Daily Mail was a person I would want to punch it in the face repeatedly. And I don't hit people.

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devilstay September 21 2011, 12:56:03 UTC
Yeah, I knew. I mean honestly thought who else could it be? If the daily mail was a person. I think they would be banned from England for inciting hatred every-time they breath, and I wouldn't complain. I'm not even big on the 'ban things we hate' bandwagon.

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x_butterfly19_x September 21 2011, 15:40:54 UTC
I always know. ~spidey senses

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suzycat September 21 2011, 12:29:34 UTC
Damn you and your 'arch quote marks', Daily Bloody Mail.

Gender is a difficult area but dammit, this snide suggestion that there is no such thing as a transgendered or intersexed person WILL NOT DO. EVIL EVIL PAPER.

In other news, fair enough on the passports.

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splitcomplex September 21 2011, 12:33:18 UTC
I don't even understand intersex hate. I mean, transphobes are always bawwing about BODIES THIS, BODIES THAT -- but intersex has everything to do with one's body, right? How can they possibly hold such contradictory views?

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suzycat September 21 2011, 12:43:13 UTC
I think for a lot of people, the idea that a person can have a body that is not clearly one thing or the other is really freaky and unsettling. They want to slot the nonstandard body into one sex or the other. If it takes a little snip, then fine! They don't understand that when intersexed people come out and say "but I'm not this. Nor am I that. I'm myself, and there is no clear space for me to occupy" it's real.

I will never forget the only time, thus far, that I met a person whose gender I could not read. It was really difficult for me. I didn't care what SEX they were I just wanted to know what gender they were BEING so I ... knew how to interact with them, I guess. I didn't know then that there are people who deliberately straddle genders because that's how they feel most right.

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splitcomplex September 21 2011, 12:46:56 UTC
That makes sense, sadly. I guess it was a dumb question, I just can never comprehend people like that.

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