Guess I'll be the lame one herethefathomistJuly 12 2011, 19:03:36 UTC
if this deal with the Republicans takes a dollar away from those people who do not have a dollar to spare while preserving the millions for those who have millions more, if this deal, sir, keeps intact funding the mechanisms we have for killing people while cutting the mechanisms we have for keeping people alive and healthy, then it is a betrayal of everything that makes this country great."
Sorry Keith, you're wrong. This attitude is a perfect mirror image of the Republican/Tea Party position. If you want to get out of this mess and move forward, it's time for everyone to suck it up and be prepared to do some things you really don't want to do.
Re: Guess I'll be the lame one heresalienneJuly 12 2011, 20:07:50 UTC
Please, tell me, what can people who rely on public benefits for food, housing, and health care "give up" in your book that's at all comparable to what millionaires and big businesses would have to "give up" if we raised their taxes from historic lows. How is forcing people to suffer, to go hungry, to stay sick, to even die, at all fucking equivalent to people giving up money they don't need for survival?
Sorry, but there's a difference between cutting benefits and raising certain taxes when we're discussing doing things we "really don't want to do."
Re: Guess I'll be the lame one herethefathomistJuly 12 2011, 20:54:58 UTC
I think Keith is being dramatic for the effect. Not everyone who uses certain public benefit programs relies on them 100%. The people who really are in that boat? Do nothing. I'm not asking them to do a thing.
My grandpa is 87 and has $500 prescriptions. Leave him the hell alone. But my dad turned 60 this weekend. He's got 5-8 years left in the workforce to save and plan ahead for certain medical expenses. And that's something different. Yeah, it sucks that he may have to get less than he was promised, but the problems with Medicare and Social Security are only gonna get worse as they go on. I'd rather the nation make that decision now when my dad is 60 and can at least do something, than when he's 80 and it's too late and the decision is made for us.
Re: Guess I'll be the lame one heresalienneJuly 12 2011, 21:03:38 UTC
You realize the Republican solution involves cuts across the board affecting everyone in a certain age bracket, right? Not everyone is as lucky as your father, and especially given the current economy and the high cost of medical bills, even those who are aren't guaranteed to stay that way.
Re: Guess I'll be the lame one heresalienneJuly 12 2011, 21:06:08 UTC
Also, if we're going by anecdata, my grandma (who lives solely on SSI, and depends on Medicare and Medicaid) has had prescription-related Medicaid benefits cut by the state of FL. (Not federal, but it's the same basic principle.)
Those who are going to be hurt by this aren't just those who can deal with lost benefits, while those who actually wouldn't be hurt by some sort of loss in their pocket books continue to remain untouched.
Re: Guess I'll be the lame one herethefathomistJuly 12 2011, 21:21:46 UTC
Yes, I do realize the Republican plan blows. I'm not in favor of it either. I'm outright against having a 100% Republican solution. The people who aren't so lucky should be spared further hardship, but again, not everyone who is in these programs is on death's door and without a penny. When KO uses his voice of righteous indignation to try and paint things in black and white, he looks just as childish as the very people he opposes.
Sorry Keith, you're wrong. This attitude is a perfect mirror image of the Republican/Tea Party position. If you want to get out of this mess and move forward, it's time for everyone to suck it up and be prepared to do some things you really don't want to do.
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I'm so sick of this "well lol everyone has to sacrifice something" mindset.
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This +INFINITY
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Sorry, but there's a difference between cutting benefits and raising certain taxes when we're discussing doing things we "really don't want to do."
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My grandpa is 87 and has $500 prescriptions. Leave him the hell alone. But my dad turned 60 this weekend. He's got 5-8 years left in the workforce to save and plan ahead for certain medical expenses. And that's something different. Yeah, it sucks that he may have to get less than he was promised, but the problems with Medicare and Social Security are only gonna get worse as they go on. I'd rather the nation make that decision now when my dad is 60 and can at least do something, than when he's 80 and it's too late and the decision is made for us.
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Those who are going to be hurt by this aren't just those who can deal with lost benefits, while those who actually wouldn't be hurt by some sort of loss in their pocket books continue to remain untouched.
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