Hierarchy of Class&Power Perpetuates Cycle of Alienation, Division, and Hate But America is Great!

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evildevil December 25 2016, 13:38:12 UTC
I am no expert, but I have read a few things here and there and I think the problem is that there is a lack of data and cooperative projects to allow for the cooperative movement to gain momentum to create an alternative.

"I don't believe co-ops work for everyone. I think perhaps they only work in a hypothetical world where everyone is exactly equally motivated."
I would agree it is not for everyone, at least during this early period, but I would say the same things about trying to be a (venture) capitalist, let alone figuring out economics. Our society lacks the proper education, and the culture to work in a cooperative environment. Our schools are creations of the Industrial Revolution, the education mindset from such institutions kills creativity and an altruistic cooperative mindset. However, even with the proper conditions I think it may be possible for a small population to develop the foundation to build a coop system. Another issue would be personality problems or egos. Some people would do well under a capitalist hierarchical system, some wont, people should be given the choice but for the moment there is no choice. The problem I see for the moment is that we lack the proper theories, which could develop the right formulas, which could then lead to stablish state/federal/national policies to encourage the investment and creation of coops, and for that it would require a political party willing to support the coop movement, but for that to work it requires enough data to support the idea, and you can see the problem, there arent enough coops data to develop a theory. Also the US has a good coop tradition but not enough records to work with because of the lack of interest on it. This needs to change. Another possibility is that the coop movement could thrive with the right tools or technology, thanks to the internet and digital technology it may be possible to overcome certain hurdles that handicaps the development of coops.

"One of the "hip" things in tech right now is autonomous teams."
I have no idea how the tech world works, so I would just work with what I read. The problem I see with that is that is that they just got a bunch of strangers together and toss them into a room and told them to work together. Democracy doesnt work that way, let a lone the formation of a coop. The coop has to be a free voluntary association of individuals with similar background or interests or goals. If you put a group of people who arent interested of working together and told them work together it would never work. Another problem is that the people were divided in groups, which sadly, leads to the development of factionalism or tribalism which is not very productive. The creation of a coop has to be organic, the workers 1st of all must have a financial stake on the formation of the coop, that means they must be owners of the business, and at the same time they must be their own managers/bosses, this creates an incentive for economic responsibility. If there is no ownership let alone a sense of responsibility, it wont work, because there is no interest let alone incentive.

""management" should just give them the tools and get out of the way."
If the workers are not their own owners/managers, it wont work. That just means the workers are not really responsible for their own destiny because most of the decisions is out of their hands and are forced to work with a limited set of choices. This just means the workers get all of the responsibility but none of the rewards let alone the ability to change directions without consulting with "management"

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