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eveofrevolution September 1 2016, 14:56:48 UTC

belleweather September 1 2016, 17:05:44 UTC
Yeah, I feel like for some people on the left "war hawk" has become the name for anyone who might ever contemplate using the military for anything, ever.

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moonshaz September 1 2016, 17:34:22 UTC
Exactly ( ... )

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ladycyndra September 1 2016, 17:47:14 UTC
Now I'm picturing you as Hawk Girl. ;)

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moonshaz September 1 2016, 18:11:20 UTC
LOL!

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moonshaz September 1 2016, 19:34:52 UTC
I've noticed you use the term "war crimes" a lot. That term actually can mean a lot of things, as I've learned from researching it, and I'd be very interested to know your definition and exactly what actions you are referring to when you accuse HRC of "war crimes."

I know she's done a lot of things you don't agree with, and she's done things I don't agree with as well. But you or I disagreeing with an action doesn't automatically make it a "war crime."

I've been researching this out of a desire to understand the whole issue better, and I've found it to be an extremely complex area of law that would take me years to fully understand. Here's one definition that I think sums it up about as well as can be done in a few words:

"Acts that violate the international laws, treaties, customs, and practices governing military conflict between belligerent states or parties." SourceDoes this sound like an accurate and reasonable definition to you? If not, I'd really like to know what definition you are using when you accuse of HRC of "war ( ... )

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moonshaz September 1 2016, 20:49:02 UTC
Okay, let's unpack this.

First, Hillary had nothing to do PERSONALLY with the Iraq War. Yes, she voted for the resolution formally known as the "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002" just like 297 members of the House of Representatives (including 82 Democrats) and 76 other Senators (28 of whom were Democrats). If that vote makes her a war criminal, she has a lot of company. 58% of the Democratic senators voted in favor of it, including Evan Bayh, Joe Biden, Dianne Feinstein, John Kerry, and Harry Reid, just to name some of the most prominent names on that list. (All of this is from Wikipedia, btw--not the most perfect source of info, I know, but they have an article that lays out the details on the resolution and who voted in favor of it in a way that I find very clear and helpful). Do you feel these people and the rest of the Senators and Congresspersons who voted for the war are all war criminals? Just wondering ( ... )

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shanrina September 1 2016, 21:09:35 UTC
So how does this nonpartisan support of the military and American exceptionalism work if we agree with Eisenhower on the military-industrial complex and don't agree with American exceptionalism?

Oh, wait, we don't matter to either party. Silly me, forgetting that.

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meadowphoenix September 2 2016, 02:23:33 UTC
The only thing I have to say about American exceptionalism is Athens thought it was exceptional (militarily) too. "Might is right" is what that usually boils down to, and it happens to be a long-lived philosophy but a short-lived policy.

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