lol. Two party platform ideas that are possibly the two most popular ideas out of Sanders' camp? That's the concession? Wow, what a stretch for poor Hillary and the democrats. How much effort they must have put into incorporating actual populist ideas
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Sure, a three dollar addition and school plan were not bones and you know it. That's where the party was already headed. They knew they were super popular proposals and hopped on it. That's not compromise. That's being smart enough to follow the voters.
Hilariously, most of the people thrown under the bus are People and Women of Color. It's been hilariously annoying seeing Stephanie Rawlings-Blake coming on stage every night considering her comments in Baltimore. Linda Sarsour is one of the Muslims quoted and is an activist and WoC. Nina Turner and Tulsi got thrown under the bus yesterday and didn't get to do their intros or speeches. But you keep thinking this is what bones for progressives consist of.
Everyone here will rail about people booing the PoC on stage and ignore how the party itself is throwing progressive People of Color under the bus at the same time.
If items in the platform don't count as "bones," could you maybe give us an example or two of something that would? I've been following this conversation, and I am honestly lost.
When you said the platform was not a bone "and you know it," I was taken aback, because I would have given the same ansqer lozbabie did. So yeah, I don't know that, and I'm sure lozbabie didn't know, either.
At the moment, I honestly don't know what those you call "progressives" do want from the party. (Other than nominating Bernie, which lbr, we all knew was not going to happen.)
In fact, I'm not even sure exactly what "progressive" even means any more, except that it seems to mean different things to different people. I mean, not too long ago I would have said I was a progressive, and depending on who you ask, I still am. (I googled ro be sure lol). But I'm pretty sure a lot of people here would probably not regard me as one.
First, as I mentioned below, I like Tim Kaine. I come from rural "real" Virginia and live in the city with Jerry Falwell's empire so I understand conservatism and how Tim is a liberal for most of these parts. He is absolutely a liberal in these parts of the universe. But overall, Tim is a cis, Christian White dude, and dully a centrist, no where near being even the middle of the pack of senate progressives. I believe someone looked him up in this group and he's number 41 out of 56 in progressive for senators. Not 25 or even 30, but 41. Hillary is already a centrist. I think Tim can hold his own just fine, but is he going to be the attack person needed for progressive ideas? Will he push the party progressively forward in the way that Joe Biden has done for Democrats and Dick Cheney did for Republicans (of course Cheney pushed in the opposite way, but that's the way that party likes to go)? No. I don't believe he will and I've followed his career since he ran for governor here. He will push centrist ideas. As much as I like him, he
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1. Publicly announce someone progressive in a potential cabinet spot. At this point it could be symbolic. Hell, she could round up whatever democrats and see if they could maybe consider giving Sanders or Warren some spot that would be super important and symbolic moving forward.
2. Don't shut out progressive WoC. I can't tell you how much my opinion dropped of the DNC for not letting Nina and Tulsi on stage. Campaign with progressive WoC.
3. Tout the most progressive options of the platform as loudly and as often as possible. I won't blame Clinton for this yet, but moving forward, if none of the most progressive of the platform becomes central to her campaign then I'm going to think those items on the platform are exactly what I imagine them to be and that's all talk.
4. Obviously, you want to invite upset conservatives onboard, but spend some time genuinely inviting progressives onboard too. No one is actually spending time to ask for progressives votes. They're just assuming
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Have I told you how much I LOVE your comments? Because I do. Also, lozbabie's initial comment to you sounded like "omg just take it and shut up already!". Which, yeah.
Thanks! You've given me lots to think about. I'll respond at some point, but I think I need to let all this percolate through my brain for a while first. :-)
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The school plan?
You've been thrown more than bones. Still not good enough.
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Adopting two of the most popular proposals is, at a minimum, throwing a bone. Yet it's still not good enough for you.
THIS is why you don't get thrown bones. You get given real compromise and turn your nose up at it.
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Hilariously, most of the people thrown under the bus are People and Women of Color. It's been hilariously annoying seeing Stephanie Rawlings-Blake coming on stage every night considering her comments in Baltimore. Linda Sarsour is one of the Muslims quoted and is an activist and WoC. Nina Turner and Tulsi got thrown under the bus yesterday and didn't get to do their intros or speeches. But you keep thinking this is what bones for progressives consist of.
Everyone here will rail about people booing the PoC on stage and ignore how the party itself is throwing progressive People of Color under the bus at the same time.
Your supposed bones are dust.
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If items in the platform don't count as "bones," could you maybe give us an example or two of something that would? I've been following this conversation, and I am honestly lost.
When you said the platform was not a bone "and you know it," I was taken aback, because I would have given the same ansqer lozbabie did. So yeah, I don't know that, and I'm sure lozbabie didn't know, either.
At the moment, I honestly don't know what those you call "progressives" do want from the party. (Other than nominating Bernie, which lbr, we all knew was not going to happen.)
In fact, I'm not even sure exactly what "progressive" even means any more, except that it seems to mean different things to different people. I mean, not too long ago I would have said I was a progressive, and depending on who you ask, I still am. (I googled ro be sure lol). But I'm pretty sure a lot of people here would probably not regard me as one.
But enough rambling. I'll shut up now, :-)
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1. Publicly announce someone progressive in a potential cabinet spot. At this point it could be symbolic. Hell, she could round up whatever democrats and see if they could maybe consider giving Sanders or Warren some spot that would be super important and symbolic moving forward.
2. Don't shut out progressive WoC. I can't tell you how much my opinion dropped of the DNC for not letting Nina and Tulsi on stage. Campaign with progressive WoC.
3. Tout the most progressive options of the platform as loudly and as often as possible. I won't blame Clinton for this yet, but moving forward, if none of the most progressive of the platform becomes central to her campaign then I'm going to think those items on the platform are exactly what I imagine them to be and that's all talk.
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Thanks! You've given me lots to think about. I'll respond at some point, but I think I need to let all this percolate through my brain for a while first. :-)
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