So we should have, idk, let there be a public trial with lots and lots of footage for his followers to manipulate and use as their own propaganda?
I don't disagree about the whole industrial military complex but... I can't say that I'm losing sleep over how Bin Laden was taken out. I didn't go out and celebrate and I will never celebrate another person's death but Bin Laden was not an unarmed elderly old man any more than Dick Cheney is a harmless loving father.
I don't know what the criteria is, nor do I know which law we're following. International law? Because I kind of think that's broken when the person on trial, you know, effectively murders several thousand people for no reason. Where would you hold it? Who would work as the jury? And how long would it take and how much of a motivator would it be to other future terrorists?
Mind you I am not framing this is "EFF YEAH USA THIS IS OUR RIGHT TO KILL PEOPLE!" and that is specifically why I used Dick Cheney as the example, seeing as how he's helped drag USA into a war that's still killing people in various ways
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I mean - I'm not condoning what the US does. The US's military is bloated and full of bullshit and designed so that corporations get profit so we have to continually be in war.
But then again Bin Laden was a terrible human being who has done many terrible things with no accountability to any country or political group or what have you because he was hanging out in a bunker directing his followers to go out and kill. He certainly wasn't harmless, and the US couldn't really declare a war the normal way because Bin Laden has no borders, no sanctions, nothing.
And as I said above - it's easy to be morally just and righteous on the Internet or in this person's case, making a movie. I have serious problems with Obama and our government and drone strikes but you know - I can't say I'd ever want to be in the position to make those decisions. At the end of the day you'll likely have blood on your hands and it's going to be with you whether it's innocent or not.
"I don't know what the criteria is, nor do I know which law we're following. International law? Because I kind of think that's broken when the person on trial, you know, effectively murders several thousand people for no reason. Where would you hold it? Who would work as the jury? And how long would it take and how much of a motivator would it be to other future terrorists?"
You do know that there have been trials of mass murderers at the ICC, right? Charles Taylor, for instance, fits right in with your definition above. So I'm still wondering how this case is different.
This also, personally, brings me back to the fact that many have been criticizing the ICC for the fact that it has mainly brought tyrants and criminals from smallish countries to trial, when it seems to me that the issue is not so much the ICC itself but the fact that powerful countries such as the U.S. can simply bypass it whenever they feel like it (because God forbid any US military personnel ever be put on trial at the ICC for crimes against humanity!).
I don't disagree about the whole industrial military complex but... I can't say that I'm losing sleep over how Bin Laden was taken out. I didn't go out and celebrate and I will never celebrate another person's death but Bin Laden was not an unarmed elderly old man any more than Dick Cheney is a harmless loving father.
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like, what is the criteria
when do we get to decide when someone will embarrass us too badly to deserve protection under the law
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Mind you I am not framing this is "EFF YEAH USA THIS IS OUR RIGHT TO KILL PEOPLE!" and that is specifically why I used Dick Cheney as the example, seeing as how he's helped drag USA into a war that's still killing people in various ways ( ... )
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That is all. :)
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I mean - I'm not condoning what the US does. The US's military is bloated and full of bullshit and designed so that corporations get profit so we have to continually be in war.
But then again Bin Laden was a terrible human being who has done many terrible things with no accountability to any country or political group or what have you because he was hanging out in a bunker directing his followers to go out and kill. He certainly wasn't harmless, and the US couldn't really declare a war the normal way because Bin Laden has no borders, no sanctions, nothing.
And as I said above - it's easy to be morally just and righteous on the Internet or in this person's case, making a movie. I have serious problems with Obama and our government and drone strikes but you know - I can't say I'd ever want to be in the position to make those decisions. At the end of the day you'll likely have blood on your hands and it's going to be with you whether it's innocent or not.
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You do know that there have been trials of mass murderers at the ICC, right? Charles Taylor, for instance, fits right in with your definition above. So I'm still wondering how this case is different.
This also, personally, brings me back to the fact that many have been criticizing the ICC for the fact that it has mainly brought tyrants and criminals from smallish countries to trial, when it seems to me that the issue is not so much the ICC itself but the fact that powerful countries such as the U.S. can simply bypass it whenever they feel like it (because God forbid any US military personnel ever be put on trial at the ICC for crimes against humanity!).
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