Some Scouting Families Quit After Vote Allowing Gay Kids

[jocelyncs]

NBC News:  Some Families Call It Quits After Scouts Vote To Admit Gay Kids.

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[nextdrinksonme]

Good riddance, but I'm bummed for the kids who are basically being punished (by their parents) because their parents are bigoted asswipes.

Miller said he then told Cody that the point of going to church is to seek forgiveness - not for being all-inclusive

Man, I'd hate to go to his church. Here I thought church was about celebrating God and love and community and all of that happy horseshit, not about groveling and begging to be forgiven for being human. I mean, I know repentance is part of the deal, but that shouldn't be what 'church is about'.

I really hope that kid who said everyone should be welcome isn't gay and was just told, unknowingly, by his dad that he shouldn't be included in doing something he loves and should ask forgiveness to be who he is. :-/

[nextdrinksonme]

My family's church's mass must be different than others, then. The only forgiveness stuff is a prayer/call and respond at the beginning, same as the protestant churches I've been to. Any other repentance stuff is just confession once a week or whatever outside of service. The church itself and all of its events are based on community and faith and god's love, etc.

[liliaeth]

yeah that didn't sound like the catholic church I'm used to either. With our priest, forgiveness was more a general assumption that meant you didn't have to hold blame, or have it held against you.

I think the part of that we focused on was "And forgive us our sins, as we have forgiven those who've sinned against us."

It's not meant to be held against people, just the assumption that humans are fallible and to ask God to forgive us our faults so we can move on from them.

Groveling was never a part of that.

[rex_dart]

There is not one standard Eucharistic prayer.

[deborahw37]

I thought there was

[rex_dart]

I have veeeery little experience with Anglican services; I went to one of the brief services they do at the tomb of Edward the Confessor once. A lot of the phrasing and responsorial type stuff was the same or nearly the same as the Roman Catholic ones I know, but the prayer you just wrote there I've never heard before. The Liturgy of the Eucharist on this page is the one I've heard most often:

http://catholic-resources.org/ChurchDocs/Mass.htm#Eucharist

[rex_dart]

Yeah, I've definitely heard variation in phrasing and delivery, but it's always the same stuff. I think there's also additional Eucharistic prayers for special occasions but I haven't been in a while.

[liliaeth]

It's the opposite of self righteousness. Of assuming you're special or better than others because you pray in public. It's saying "Lord, I'm not worthy for you to come near me, but speak and I shall be healed". It's a sign of faith without self aggrandisation, or understanding that no matter who you are, what you've done, how high or low society sees you, God still loves you and will accept you.

It says that no matter what you've done, you can be forgiven. The Lord doesn't hold our sins against us, as long as we truly repent. And it is not up to us as believers to condemn others, for as we ask for forgiveness, we must forgive others as well.

[liliaeth]

It has everything to do with self righteousness. Someone who is self righteous believes they themselves have no flaws. they believe they are perfect and have never done anything wrong. Yet they constantly see faults in others.

It is those kind of self righteous people who keep going on about how Christian they are, how they are God's warriors, how they 'stand up for their beliefs'. they believe that the mere fact that they believe makes them perfect.

A true catholic realizes and accepts that they are flawed, and that it's alright to be flawed. That there's nothing wrong with being flawed. But that it is up to us to try to be better. And because we can see our own flaws, we become less harsh about the flaws and faults in others. When you focus on your own mistakes, it becomes harder to judge others for theirs.

It's that whole line about not being too busy to stare at the splinter in another's eye, while missing the beam in your own. (hoping that comes out right in english)

[nextdrinksonme]

I think what they're trying to say is that accepting flaws =/= groveling for forgiveness for having those flaws.