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liliaeth November 14 2012, 04:31:12 UTC
I like the sentiment, but is it bad that I keep wondering: 'so why is she focused of the effects on just her son, if she has daughters as well. shouldn't this mean just as much to them, as it does to the boy?' Especially since the '08 election also had two female candidates to look up to. (well one, but technically Palin was there as well, as despicable as she might be)

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homasse November 14 2012, 04:57:42 UTC
Speaking as a black woman...no.

Especially given some of Hilary's - and her supporters' - frankly deplorable actions during the 2008 primaries (which, btw, pushed me into no longer considering myself a capital-f "Feminist" because all the white privilege that came screaming to the fore), no. They were not people that any mother of black girls should have pointed to as role models. I'm sorry, but no.

And black boys and men get saddled and hit with a lot of baggage that black women and girls, especially light-skinned women and girls, don't get. Black boys are more likely to be labeled as "troublemakers" and placed in lower-level classes than any other group. Obama, and what he meant to black folks and especially black kids of BOTH genders, is something I don't think you're seeing.

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natyanayaki November 14 2012, 05:32:28 UTC
What did Rodham-Clinton do that was deplorable? I'm not being sarcastic at all, I didn't pay much attention to either Obama or Rodham-Clinton's primary movements, because I didn't support either's policies so I actually don't know the history there. I've seen it mentioned a few times, and I think it's important that I know.

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homasse November 14 2012, 06:50:32 UTC
It kind of makes me sad how quickly people forgot that. :/

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strandedinaber November 14 2012, 18:23:01 UTC
Damn :( I did not know that (I was vaguely aware of what was going on but not paying much attention to international politics at that time). Now I'm losing my Hilary 2016 enthusiasm...

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homasse November 14 2012, 06:50:03 UTC
She ran a pretty racist campaign, actually. Started courting the "hardworking Americans" (read, "white people") aggressively, and the white feminist camp went apeshit over black women "siding" with Obama over so-called "sisterhood". It was appalling and I still side-eye Hilary Clinton to this day because of it.

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poetic_pixie_13 November 14 2012, 06:55:22 UTC
the white feminist camp went apeshit over black women "siding" with Obama over so-called "sisterhood".

Ah. I remember that. I was like, 16 and my poor inner angry brown woman was still a baby. I think it was the first time I really saw how deeply racist so many white feminists were.

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homasse November 14 2012, 07:01:37 UTC
Seriously. Between that and Amanda Marcotte's book's racist pictures that no one went, "Oh, hey, about that..." until after it went to print that happened around the same time, I completely washed my hands with Feminism. It was mainly the primaries that put a stake through the heart of it, though, because of all the ugly that came out.

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poetic_pixie_13 November 14 2012, 07:19:51 UTC
Oh god, those pictures. I will forever be salty about what happened with BFP. Before that I used to read Pandagon all the time cause it was one of the first feminist blogs I'd come across. And then it was my first (though not at all last) taste of Feminist Disillusionment™.

The Laci Green stuff that happened a few months ago was my stake, though. I now vaguely call myself a feminist if I'm too lazy to go for anything else. I don't have time to educate people's ignorant asses.

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homasse November 14 2012, 07:33:26 UTC
Uh-oh, the "Laci Green stuff"? I think I missed something in my recent spate of Grade-A apathy towards basically everything; what happened?

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lady_borg November 14 2012, 08:09:33 UTC
A video of hers from a while back was unearthed and she used a trans* slur.

Not only that not all of her "advice" is really that great.

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poetic_pixie_13 November 14 2012, 08:09:36 UTC
Lord. That bullshit.

Someone posted a (very biased, bullshit Jezabel) article on it at _p and I responded with a long-ass comment about why the reaction to what was happening was fucked up. (Incidentally, the post itself was a nice microcosm of offended white feminist reaction.) I also talked about it a bit on my tumblr

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