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Nov 12, 2012 20:43

Nine-Year-Old Girl Plays Football, Kicks Ass and Maybe Changes the World

Few 9-year-old girls are described as a “young-very young-Walter Payton.” But that’s what people are calling Sam Gordon of South Jordan, Utah. Gordon has become an Internet sensation after the spread of viral videos showing her shredding Pee Wee football defenses with a series ( Read more... )

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the_physicist November 12 2012, 22:38:05 UTC
but that a large part of the current difference in performance is due to early sex segregation

that's kind of what i was trying to get at with the girls not being challenged, i could have made my point more clearly though, i realise that though XD . and them not being challenged kind of comes from the fact that they do "ability" segregation by sex, rather than segregation based on ability regardless of sex.

it's not so much that one sex (loosely defined here, please let me know if my terminology can be improved) is better across the board than the other, but that they tend to be better in different areas

i feel that goes into the territory of 'girls are not weak, they are just different!' (i.e. let's just change the word here, but not the thinking) as well as still keeping up the mental thinking barriers that girls are just good at X, and boys at Z.

the issue is really that it should be on an individual level, based on an individual's performance.

I was lucky that the league i played in didn't have an issue with a girl joining, for example. my individual performance was fine, but too often women and girls are excluded from teams they could play in based on their gender, rather than because they can't do the sport. whether women are generally not that good at that sport shouldn't be the issue.

edit: also think about it for trans girls and women. they often get excluded ignorantly from girls and womens teams due to people thinking they must have an unfair advantage. teams based on ability would help against that.

and also with intersex people having their gender questioned based on their physiology.

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liret November 12 2012, 23:18:23 UTC
i feel that goes into the territory of 'girls are not weak, they are just different!' (i.e. let's just change the word here, but not the thinking) as well as still keeping up the mental thinking barriers that girls are just good at X, and boys at Z.

I know you aren't saying there are no physical differences, and it's a big problem when that argument is used to keep people out of certain sports - but it's also not really something that can be ignored in sports or solved by just saying girls can join whatever teams they want. From a training perspective, not recognizing the different strengths and weaknesses of female bodies and using a 'one size fits all' approach - which like most things that are supposed to apply to everyone was designed by generations of intensly studying the physical devolopment of men and boys - is part of what keeps girls from being as strong as they could, as well as putting them at a much greater risk for certain injuries.

Female athletes are as capable of adding muscle and strength as men, but because of hormone differences that usually will only happen if that's given more training/practice time. And sometimes girls aren't as good at certain sports at boys because they're being told to do things in a way that doesn't actually take advantage of their biomechanics. (For example, since someone else in the thread mentioned rowing and I'm a rower - male and female rowers have very close performance measurements at the same height and weight. But they train and practice in a way that more of the power from a female rower's stroke comes from her lower body. They wouldn't have equal performance if you threw them in men's programs and said 'do what the guys are doing.')

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mephisto5 November 12 2012, 23:24:47 UTC
Thanks for articulating this better than I could.

And yes- look at clips of Romanian female vs Canadian male VIIIs (most iconic boats for each sex I could think of off the top of my head). The power distribution throughout the stroke is completely different.

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the_physicist November 12 2012, 23:28:39 UTC
ah right, yes, i didn't mean it like there are no differences. believe me, i know there are XD .

i see what what meant now by 'girls are better at some thing'. yes, definitely training would need to be targeted.

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