Longbottoms: I understand why Dumbledore explained their situation to Harry, but it still doesn't feel entirely right since it's about another student and doesn't really concern him. Also, apparently only Frank was an Auror. Somehow I thought Alice was one too.
Moody: apparently lost his eye after the First War. That name caught on pretty quickly then. I also think a lot of Marauder-era fics get that wrong.
Harry's dream: I wonder why he flew in with the owl, if he dreams because of the horcrux?
I'm really kind of appalled at their justice system and Dumbledore's influence. People got out or stayed in prison pretty much on one person's word vs another. Snape at the very least should have gotten a trial and Dumbledore's word alone really shouldn't be enough.
And then there's the prejudice towards giants. Hagrid seems to be over it, but it is a major issue since even the Minister seems to distrust a foreign Headmistress because she's a giant. I'd love to poll the wizarding world, to see how they really feel about these things. How many people are ok with a giant teaching their kids?
in regards to the jail/justice system, the wizarding world just seems so backwards with a lot of things. they do not need to rely on a lot of things that the muggle world took years to develop and that were constantly evolving and getting better (electricity for instance). and so it seems that they are stagnant and not able to adapt on many fronts, including their justice system. i definitely think they should have taken a hard look at their justice system because i agree, someone's word should be considered, but not a deciding factor in whether a person is sentenced or not.
Definitely. For example, the whole parchment/quill/ink thing makes no sense. I get that magic screws up electricity, but pen and paper should still work. So should basic typewriters for that matter. That's a small detail, but it's so telling of their mentality.
There aren't any details about how the Ministry works, if there are elections, but it doesn't seem likely. And a lot of positions are inherited and a lot of institutions are funded by donations and it invites corruption and incompetence.
I'm really kind of appalled at their justice system and Dumbledore's influence. People got out or stayed in prison pretty much on one person's word vs another. Snape at the very least should have gotten a trial and Dumbledore's word alone really shouldn't be enough.
IA. i think it was mentioned in padfoot returns that crouch sent sirius to azkaban without trial and that's just fucked up. like, i get it was a time with a lot of hysteria and you couldn't trust anybody, but the right to a trial is...just that, a right.
and for the sake of the story it's good that dumbledore essentially was able to pardon snape, but from an objective point of view it was also messed up that he was a known death eater but received no retribution for it (i guess the fact lily died might have been good enough for dumbles but eh), while sirius on the other hand wasn't, but the fact that he was a black probably only incriminated him further/didn't help with scoring a trial. tbh a lot of the wizarding world seems pretty appalling and in need of major upheaval.
It really does seem that your chance of justice kind of depends on your reputation, how much money you have, how angry people are, etc. This is sort of true in RL (unfortunately), but at least we have laws that *have* to be followed no matter how upset it might make people. Wizards mostly seem to care about an eye for an eye.
And the thing about Snape is weird, because it means that people knew he was a DE. I get that people would trust Dumbledore enough to accept that he changed sides, but to let Snape be a teacher? You'd think people would object to that. And even if Snape were to keep his job, his past would be mentioned all the time. It's not something people forget.
You'd think people would object to that. And even if Snape were to keep his job, his past would be mentioned all the time. It's not something people forget.
ia, i think you do have a point here - i would think more people would be outraged, initially, but maybe not question it because it was dumbledore? but then i think as time went on, no one wanted to bring it up because it's shown in the books that no one really liked to bring anything relating to the first war up again. like, no one liked to mention voldemort's name, or the dark mark, or etc. i think the ministry tried really hard to build the community back up after the war and part of that was sort of like "let's agree to talk about this as little as we can so we can forget about it quicker" which is...you know, a bad idea, but i can sort of understand it. so i think that could be why snape being a DE would have been lost on the younger generations coming into hogwarts.
That's a fair point. The First War and the time after it does seem to be a case study in 'those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it'.
You're probably right, since they didn't really talk about the good guys either. It's one thing to let the names of possible villains go, but people generally want to remember and honor fallen heroes. But all those people from the original Order, and the Longbottoms, no one mentions them. If people were so angry about what happened to the Longbottoms, you'd think Neville would get a somewhat similar reaction to Harry. He's not the Boy Who Lived, but he is the son of heroic parents who sacrificed everything for the Light.
JKR did say she changed things round a bit, either after GoF or OotP, I can't remember. That could explain some little mistakes like that, or timeline errors or stuff like Harry's dream. Or it could be inequality in the wizarding workplace and Alice was fired/quit to have Neville.
alice was an auror too...i'm relistening to OOTP and neville's grandmother says they were both aurors. idk why she was just referred to as frank's wife in the trial, that was weird. it kind of belittled her significance imo
Longbottoms: I understand why Dumbledore explained their situation to Harry, but it still doesn't feel entirely right since it's about another student and doesn't really concern him. Also, apparently only Frank was an Auror. Somehow I thought Alice was one too.
Moody: apparently lost his eye after the First War. That name caught on pretty quickly then. I also think a lot of Marauder-era fics get that wrong.
Harry's dream: I wonder why he flew in with the owl, if he dreams because of the horcrux?
I'm really kind of appalled at their justice system and Dumbledore's influence. People got out or stayed in prison pretty much on one person's word vs another. Snape at the very least should have gotten a trial and Dumbledore's word alone really shouldn't be enough.
And then there's the prejudice towards giants. Hagrid seems to be over it, but it is a major issue since even the Minister seems to distrust a foreign Headmistress because she's a giant. I'd love to poll the wizarding world, to see how they really feel about these things. How many people are ok with a giant teaching their kids?
Reply
Reply
There aren't any details about how the Ministry works, if there are elections, but it doesn't seem likely. And a lot of positions are inherited and a lot of institutions are funded by donations and it invites corruption and incompetence.
Reply
IA. i think it was mentioned in padfoot returns that crouch sent sirius to azkaban without trial and that's just fucked up. like, i get it was a time with a lot of hysteria and you couldn't trust anybody, but the right to a trial is...just that, a right.
and for the sake of the story it's good that dumbledore essentially was able to pardon snape, but from an objective point of view it was also messed up that he was a known death eater but received no retribution for it (i guess the fact lily died might have been good enough for dumbles but eh), while sirius on the other hand wasn't, but the fact that he was a black probably only incriminated him further/didn't help with scoring a trial. tbh a lot of the wizarding world seems pretty appalling and in need of major upheaval.
Reply
And the thing about Snape is weird, because it means that people knew he was a DE. I get that people would trust Dumbledore enough to accept that he changed sides, but to let Snape be a teacher? You'd think people would object to that. And even if Snape were to keep his job, his past would be mentioned all the time. It's not something people forget.
Reply
ia, i think you do have a point here - i would think more people would be outraged, initially, but maybe not question it because it was dumbledore? but then i think as time went on, no one wanted to bring it up because it's shown in the books that no one really liked to bring anything relating to the first war up again. like, no one liked to mention voldemort's name, or the dark mark, or etc. i think the ministry tried really hard to build the community back up after the war and part of that was sort of like "let's agree to talk about this as little as we can so we can forget about it quicker" which is...you know, a bad idea, but i can sort of understand it. so i think that could be why snape being a DE would have been lost on the younger generations coming into hogwarts.
Reply
You're probably right, since they didn't really talk about the good guys either. It's one thing to let the names of possible villains go, but people generally want to remember and honor fallen heroes. But all those people from the original Order, and the Longbottoms, no one mentions them. If people were so angry about what happened to the Longbottoms, you'd think Neville would get a somewhat similar reaction to Harry. He's not the Boy Who Lived, but he is the son of heroic parents who sacrificed everything for the Light.
Reply
I feel like that was changed later? Idk GoF has a lot of mistakes. I've always thought they were both Aurors.
Reply
Reply
Reply
Leave a comment