RE: NOOOOOOOOOOpullhimdownDecember 17 2015, 20:30:51 UTC
In the same breath, Mourinho hastened a death - he of the 'proven' over the academy talents, which hastened the distance of football from hometown lads to the professional disinterest of foreigners; of tying a big money spend to a team as much as a moral virtue. Himself and Abramovich turned the game from what it was to what it is now: the star footballer, the manager as cult of personality, putting media in the forefront of newspaper copy.
I have a fuckton of conflicting feelings about the guy, but come on with the bolded parts. The guy doesn't care much about youth academies, that's true, but it's very disingenuous to tie him to big money spending on a team. How much money was Inter worth when he won the CL with them? The guy made a world class player out of Maniche, for fuck's sake. Maniche. Let that sink in for a moment. Blame him for everything else--the personality cult and the use of media is spot on--but that one's bullshit. He likes older player over youth team newbies and that's a lot that can be said for that, but what he did in Porto or Inter was not due to 'proven' talents. Older talents, definitely, but that was about it.
RE: NOOOOOOOOOOuntxiDecember 17 2015, 20:59:01 UTC
ia. that's an easy criticism that people use nowadays bc of his chelsea & real madrid stints are far more well-known than the porto & inter ones, and people tend to conveniently forget those (not least bc the first 2 are 2 of the most hated football clubs in the world). not nearly enough credit is given to his incredibly achievements with the latter 2 teams.
RE: NOOOOOOOOOOpullhimdownDecember 17 2015, 21:11:43 UTC
People like to go in on Mourinho a lot (which I absolutely get) but the way they choose to do it is just not very intellectually honest most of the time. Abramovich didn't offer him a job at Chelsea out of the kindness of his heart, and by the time Mourinho got that gig he'd already won a UEFA cup (on his first full season at Porto) and a Champions League (on his second season). That's pretty fucking impressive for any manager with any team, let alone one as young as he was, and with a 'small' club like Porto.
You'd have to be pretty damn biased not to agree he was the best manager in the game (but then again Del Bosque won Best Coach of the Year over him in 2012 so what do I know?), and the best manager in the game should get to manage the best players in the world if he wants to. It's as simple as that.
RE: NOOOOOOOOOOthe4thjuliekDecember 18 2015, 01:21:58 UTC
VdB hardly deserved that award though. Spain practically sleep-walked to the Euro final. And similarly last year, when Jogi won over Simeone because of the WC (which Germany won, not through his tactics but because of the quality of the players).
RE: NOOOOOOOOOOmarsykeDecember 17 2015, 21:27:23 UTC
His achievements with Porto and Inter were obviously extremely good. But maybe the Inter successes look even better now because of their terrible form after he left. Inter had won (more or less) 3 titles in a row before he took over.
RE: NOOOOOOOOOOuntxiDecember 17 2015, 21:41:34 UTC
the league title isn't at all the most significant part though, bc it happened immediately after calciopoli, which was a period of enormous turmoil in serie A. juventus had just been relegated & milan was punished by point deduction and never quite recovered, so inter was in a pretty comfortable position internally from then on. but winning a CL with that team & in during a period of profound crisis and decline of calcio while simultaneously winning everything at home, now that is impressive.
Re: RE: NOOOOOOOOOOjazzypomDecember 17 2015, 22:27:28 UTC
In the PL, Mou went proven from the jump. I am only speaking about what his presence hastened the death of academy talent over here for the sky six teams. Mou came and found John Terry and Frank Lampard in the team, he didn't shepherd them from Chelsea's academy (I think Lampard came from West Ham, so there is that). So yeah, he might have shephered talent at Inter and Porto from academy to first team, but not at Chelsea. Loftus Cheek is the closest academy grad he's had sniff at the first team, and he has only played for 45 mins this season in the PL. To the point where he's supposedly looking for a loan in January to go and get playing time and not too keen to resign with Chelsea if he's not going on loan and will just be benched.
I have a fuckton of conflicting feelings about the guy, but come on with the bolded parts. The guy doesn't care much about youth academies, that's true, but it's very disingenuous to tie him to big money spending on a team. How much money was Inter worth when he won the CL with them? The guy made a world class player out of Maniche, for fuck's sake. Maniche. Let that sink in for a moment. Blame him for everything else--the personality cult and the use of media is spot on--but that one's bullshit. He likes older player over youth team newbies and that's a lot that can be said for that, but what he did in Porto or Inter was not due to 'proven' talents. Older talents, definitely, but that was about it.
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You'd have to be pretty damn biased not to agree he was the best manager in the game (but then again Del Bosque won Best Coach of the Year over him in 2012 so what do I know?), and the best manager in the game should get to manage the best players in the world if he wants to. It's as simple as that.
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