Europa league

[jazzypom]

Comments

[untxi]

IF juve manages to win the final, the ensuing bandwagoning will be a total cringefest.

anyway, juve is and always has been a pretty messy club - then again, most italian clubs are. but their relatively recent corruption scandals really weren't pretty, even by serie A standards.
their current CEO marotta seems ok, you know, considering; def better than moggi, who's a weasel and was neck-deep in calciopoli. the club is owned by old italian money (the agnelli family, founders of fiat) which kinda makes it all the snobbish types' club of choice in italy.

if bandwagoning means defence in the english game

[jazzypom]

Will come back, I'm all over that, tbh.

Besides, Pirlo and Buffon deserve it, they've carried Italian football for such a long time.

RE: if bandwagoning means defence in the english game

[untxi]

i don't think this means a calcio revival tbh. serie A is considered very unappealing by most football fans, (especially the more recent ones imo) so the prevailing mentality would have to change A LOT for that to change - the whole football-for-the-entertainment vs football-for-the.results thing we talked about a while ago, not to mention the current notion of what constitutes 'worthy', beautiful football

the ironic thing about EPL's currently catastrophic defensive skills is that they tried to emulate the spaniards but completely missed one of the most important points of possession football, which is to *defend* by preventing your opponent from having the ball. that can be done more artfully, as in barça's peak, or more pragmatically, as in most spain NT matches, the common point being that if you simply play possession football for possession's sake, shit is totally useless.

yeah, true

[jazzypom]

I've always said that when it came to possession football in the EPL they mistranslated the entire premise. But w/e I'm not a coach. But that being said, there's a lot of defenders being tapped up for next season, so I have a feeling that the texture of the game is going to change again. It's been what, five, six years since possession football and Spain? It's due a swing now.

i don't think this means a calcio revival tbh. serie A is considered very unappealing by most football fans, (especially the more recent ones imo) so the prevailing mentality would have to change A LOT for that to change - the whole football-for-the-entertainment vs football-for-the.results thing we talked about a while ago, not to mention the current notion of what constitutes 'worthy', beautiful football
There's the football hipster that seems be gaining a cachet in certain circles though. It's endemic to tumblr and reddit. If Juventus wins, that's going to be tumblr's team du jour. Kill me now.

RE: yeah, true

[untxi]

It's due a swing now.
i agree, and i think most teams will find some type of compromise solution. but it will never be as defense-oriented as calcio imo (even calcio isn't as defensive as it once was, not even close), that style of play has always been derided. 'catenaccio' used to mean what 'parking the bus' means now (even though that's inaccurate, but you get my point).

but those types of 'football hipsters' go with the flow, which is to say, with whichever team or league is trendy & successful at a given moment. they're not really the ones that define the prevailing mentality, imo that is done primarily by teams/managers themselves but also (and in an increasingly significant way) by football journalists.

RE: if bandwagoning means defence in the english game

[bumie]

I agree with everything in this comment. I liked how everyone changed their football style due to the trend while Italian kept Defensive trend. At first, I followed Italian football because I thought it was funnier than others and I still think that keke. Then , I found myself liking it more and more, they are messy.

RE: if bandwagoning means defence in the english game

[untxi]

At first, I followed Italian football because I thought it was funnier than others and I still think that keke

amen, sis. the drama in Serie A is unparalleled.

[ndobler]

As someone who went to an Italian liceo sponsored by Fiat, your description of Juve supporters seems accurate LOL.

[bumie]

I follow Juve for few years, although they are winning the serie A , they rarely made it to mainstream news. Most of new football fans think of them as underdogs. Now, seeing them recognized by almost everyone feels weird to me.

Really?

[jazzypom]

Everyone knows about Pirlo and Marchisio (underrated) and Buffon. Anyone who thinks of Juventus as underdogs yeah, must be VERY NEW.

RE: Really?

[bumie]

Italian football isn't really famous among new fans, and they are not that new tbh.