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marsyke March 30 2015, 10:05:05 UTC
Nice post! I missed most of yesterday! It's nice to see the players returning to Liverpool ( ... )

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It's... complicated jazzypom March 30 2015, 12:21:46 UTC
I just read your Ronaldo comment and on the Guardian that Kane is going to the U21 Euros after all.
That discussion is quite strange, seeing as Messi had won a CL and played in a World Cup before going to the Olympics which is also a youth tournament. Ronaldo played both Euro 2004 and the Olympics in 2004.
If they manage to always play for their country, how come the English can't?The English senior teams get first dibs on the talent, so if a lad gets tapped into first teams, he doesn't necessarily go back into U17s or whatever. Once Wayne Rooney got his senior call up, I don't think he went back into his U19s (he was 17 when he got his NT call up ( ... )

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RE: It's... complicated marsyke March 30 2015, 12:48:17 UTC
Several difficult issues, I see. I can understand Giggs better than the English players. Because even with him Wales wouldn't probably get anywhere. Although they might have a few years when he was nearing the end of his career and Ramsey and Bale were starting to grow.

But I don't understand the English players. Refusing to play for your country in most other countries, at least that's the impression I have, is mostly because of very personal problems with the coach or well problems like Nasri.
England mostly qualify and they would have had a great chance of achieving something if they would have, like the Germans worked their ass off for the NT.

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RE: It's... complicated the4thjuliek March 30 2015, 15:06:48 UTC
Slightly off topic, but Bale looked like he was having the time of his life in the match against Israel. He and Welsh Prince are so good together and you could tell that he just soaked in the love from the fans and his teammates. And yeah, unlike Giggs, he and Ramsey and Ashley Williams and the other Williamses all take their NT duties very seriously. I really want Wales to qualify for the Euros, I think they can do it.

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He did, didn't he? jazzypom March 30 2015, 15:24:50 UTC
Wales have an issue in that they're mostly a rugby country/culture and the last time they made it to the quarter finals of anything was way back in 1976. It's been a lean time mostly, but with John Toshack who seemed to build a blue print of where to go, and better scouting (in terms of tapping up who wants to play for Wales), they're catching up. Yeah, Bale is a player who thrives on positive fan reaction, and it's nice how the Welsh team treat him. They are glad that he shows up when he's called up, and that's a big thing. I think it helps that he's not expected to be captain (Ashley Williams does the job nicely, thank you very much), and he seems to thrive on responsibility. I remember when they were playing against Andorra, that was Bale on the back line, please and thanks.

It would be great to see Wales go through. All the lads seem lovely.

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RE: It's... complicated mundodeamor March 30 2015, 16:24:24 UTC
Well, considering how badly he's treated in Madrid, it's no wonder he revelled in a supportive fan atmosphere ...

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RE: It's... complicated the4thjuliek March 30 2015, 17:14:40 UTC
Lol, precisely what I was implying :D

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