Eh Rodgers freezes out players too jazzypomMarch 9 2015, 13:00:47 UTC
The only reason Migs got back on the pitch was because of Brad Jones' injury. Not to mention the way how he treated Agger (in defense of Agger, I think he knew that his time was coming to an end, but how Rodgers went about it was sharkish - the club just about redeemed itself when they sold Agger to Bronby-- considering that Agger stayed with LFC when City and Barcelona came a courting, it was the least the club could do). Also, Rodgers putting out Balotelli as a scapegoat when his tactics weren't working won't be soon forgotten either.
I'd like to think that Rafa has learnt some sort of man management after some years in the game, people get older and mellower. People seem to forget that Gerrard wanted to leave LFC before Rafa came, and then after LFC won the CL (allegedly). Fair cop to Gerrard, he stayed, when he probably should have left when Mourinho came calling the second time around (Real Madrid circa 2010).
Yeah, Rafa's relationship with Alonso wasn't the best, but in retrospect, I do wonder if that's just their personality clashes though? Rafa didn't attend the funeral of his father, because of the job, but Alonso wanted to be with the birth of his kid, and Benitez just didn't see why, b/c he came from the school of footballers being away from their wives when that happened. With Alonso and Rafa, they always seemed to be prickly with each other, if that makes sense? Even though Benitez air-marked Alonso and Garcia for the talents that he wanted at LFC 2005.
That being said, no, one can't go home again, so I 'd be surprised to see Rafa back at LFC.
As a fan of the club and the English game, I'd like us to get better in Europe, but I don't think Rodgers realizes what European nights mean to the club, as he seems to see them as annoyances rather than paths to glory (he didn't cover himself in glory with his CL and Europea choices and tactics) but whatever. The club is bigger than the managers and players, so I will support the club.
RE: Eh Rodgers freezes out players toomarsykeMarch 9 2015, 13:50:59 UTC
"Rafa didn't attend the funeral of his father, because of the job"
What? This is the sort of thing people regret later in life.
The biggest success Liverpool achieved in the last 10 years was winning the title in Istanbul. I have no idea how you can underestimate the importance of a group match against Real Madrid. That was quite strange. I mean, once you are in, you might as well try to win it.
Hmmm Benitez is... BenitezjazzypomMarch 9 2015, 13:57:49 UTC
He's a famously prickly sort, who, when Torres saw him after the birth of his son, Torres expected some sort of congratulations, but Benitez didn't ask after his child or his mum's welfare, but took Torres to task for a missed goal. Rafa is Rafa.
Re: RE: Hmmm Benitez is... BenitezjazzypomMarch 9 2015, 14:17:15 UTC
He has his ways. He's not as difficult as Mancini is, nor is he as politic as Ancelotti. His saving grace is that he has the ability to come into a club, weigh up the issues and turn things around, and knows how to deal with three types of matches (local league, European competition as well as whatever local cups come his teams way).
His systems are relatively effective, and he believes in academy talent if he can get it (with Napoli, he's strengthened their academy, and he did right by LFC and their academy when he was there) and knows his horse flesh so to speak. There are worse managers with worse results.
Benitez is of a mind that if you're a footballer and getting paid X to perform at this level, you should perform at this level, no excuses. If your wage is say, £50k a week, he's allowed to demand that.
He's not a manager that will throw his arm around and cuddle. Which is why I think he's good for teams that have young and upcoming talent. Once players get name and fame I don't think they'd be able to deal with his brusque manner.
I understand that and I do think that a coach should have high demands. But there are only 2 things in life that happen only once and that's birth and death. I struggle to comprehend how you can put a football match above that. But it's who he is. It did make him successful.
jw, what do you mean with ancelotti being political?
Probably 'political' is a bad word, but I mean that Ancelotti seems to be the kind of coach who can keep everyone on side - be it the board or the players (although the grumbling is that Real Madrid are not happy with him at the moment and are considering sacking him? Huh?) which is no mean achievement. But yeah, Ancelotti (from the brief time he was in the PL and the time I've followed him at Real Madrid) he seem able to keep the air clear, get the best out of most of his players and doesn't say a bad word in public.
I'd like to think that Rafa has learnt some sort of man management after some years in the game, people get older and mellower. People seem to forget that Gerrard wanted to leave LFC before Rafa came, and then after LFC won the CL (allegedly). Fair cop to Gerrard, he stayed, when he probably should have left when Mourinho came calling the second time around (Real Madrid circa 2010).
Yeah, Rafa's relationship with Alonso wasn't the best, but in retrospect, I do wonder if that's just their personality clashes though? Rafa didn't attend the funeral of his father, because of the job, but Alonso wanted to be with the birth of his kid, and Benitez just didn't see why, b/c he came from the school of footballers being away from their wives when that happened. With Alonso and Rafa, they always seemed to be prickly with each other, if that makes sense? Even though Benitez air-marked Alonso and Garcia for the talents that he wanted at LFC 2005.
That being said, no, one can't go home again, so I 'd be surprised to see Rafa back at LFC.
As a fan of the club and the English game, I'd like us to get better in Europe, but I don't think Rodgers realizes what European nights mean to the club, as he seems to see them as annoyances rather than paths to glory (he didn't cover himself in glory with his CL and Europea choices and tactics) but whatever. The club is bigger than the managers and players, so I will support the club.
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What? This is the sort of thing people regret later in life.
The biggest success Liverpool achieved in the last 10 years was winning the title in Istanbul. I have no idea how you can underestimate the importance of a group match against Real Madrid. That was quite strange. I mean, once you are in, you might as well try to win it.
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His systems are relatively effective, and he believes in academy talent if he can get it (with Napoli, he's strengthened their academy, and he did right by LFC and their academy when he was there) and knows his horse flesh so to speak. There are worse managers with worse results.
Benitez is of a mind that if you're a footballer and getting paid X to perform at this level, you should perform at this level, no excuses. If your wage is say, £50k a week, he's allowed to demand that.
He's not a manager that will throw his arm around and cuddle. Which is why I think he's good for teams that have young and upcoming talent. Once players get name and fame I don't think they'd be able to deal with his brusque manner.
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I understand that and I do think that a coach should have high demands. But there are only 2 things in life that happen only once and that's birth and death. I struggle to comprehend how you can put a football match above that. But it's who he is. It did make him successful.
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Probably 'political' is a bad word, but I mean that Ancelotti seems to be the kind of coach who can keep everyone on side - be it the board or the players (although the grumbling is that Real Madrid are not happy with him at the moment and are considering sacking him? Huh?) which is no mean achievement. But yeah, Ancelotti (from the brief time he was in the PL and the time I've followed him at Real Madrid) he seem able to keep the air clear, get the best out of most of his players and doesn't say a bad word in public.
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