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[onlywordsnow]

Maybe the problem isn't that Harvey is scared to love someone or has apprehensions, maybe that's just something we all made up in our head. Maybe it's that he just doesn't love so easily. Maybe there isn't specific reasons or anything, maybe it's just that he just doesn't fall in love so easily. He is obviously capable in sharing his feelings

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[bristow1941]

Amen... that scene in the court room was WAY more about Harvey's feelings towards her than Donna's feelings about Harvey. I think at first glance we were supposed to be all "wait, does this mean Donna is in love with romantically?" as Louis obviously does (don't ask a question you don't know the answer to - cross examination 101)which is very much resolved when Harvey asks her to come back. But on rewatching, it becomes much more clear that Harvey was the one stripped bare and his feelings exposed by rushing to her defense. And Zoe in the back was definitely in denial and shock when she saw it (which is odd to me as Harvey is as you said above and does not care about the little stuff that most folks have their egos wrapped up in and other petty bullshit. Think how he just smirked and was amused when he learned Donna fake cried her parents into staying in his condo - his ego wasn't involved, he didn't care, so it was just a funny moment)

Think about who orchestrated the whole scene... A little mind game to think about - what was Jessica thinking while Donna was on the stand and Harvey was flipping out next to her. Harvey and Jessica are very much alike (look back to what Jessica said to Harvey when he gave her a wedding present during the season 1 episode about Jessica's ex-husband Quentin) in how they handle emotion and their personal lives in the workplace. Jessica has watched Harvey and Donna interact for 12 years and clearly saw how important Donna was to him when she warned him to get past it when he was flipping out over Donna's evidence on Cameron. But suspecting isn't knowing and I'm not sure Jessica realized how much of Harvey's emotional stability was wrapped up in Donna or she might have handled Donna's firing a bit differently.

I love your comment "how Donna is willing and eager to give 75% while Harvey gives 1/4" - many long-lasting marriages and relationships have been founded on much much less. Part of my ugh, Zoe and Scottie are looking for a fantasy take is definitely due to this idea that both sides in a relationship have to give 50-50 for it to work which is utter bullshit. A healthy relationship doesn't need each person to contribute the same to it - you both just need to get your emotional needs met. Some people need to be needed and some people save their emotional energy for the big stuff. And that's really just fine. Donna seems to be the one who is push

I love love your final sentence - because yes, I could SO SO see that happening with both women. And both would be livid... although I think Scottie so far seems to be smart enough to realize they are totally incompatible.

[onlywordsnow]

The fact is that Donna does give 75% while Harvey gives 1/4. Because they give and take enough to make their relationship work. How much would sex complicate their relationship? Well, that depends on how willing to communicate they are. But, as Donna has said before, she doesn't need words to communicate and even then, it seems that Harvey has been able to openly initiate conversations with her about his personal life and what he hasn't she can read from him.

The fact is that by saying Donna gives 75% and Harvey gives 1/4 shows that they aren't even reading the same book but they are on the same page.

[bristow1941]

Love love your last paragraph! I love writers and fic that gets that Harvey isn't going to magically change once he's in a relationship and that right now he just isn't there yet to have a real relationship.

Have a good weekend! I love squeeing over meta like this... And I think we'll have more to talk about once the season restarts based on the Itsy-bisty spoilers I've seen re casting. *grin* I guess I do enjoy some angst when it leads to real character development!

Yeah, we know from hints that sex might be one step too far based on the past (although we don't know who shut it down after Donna's implied disclosure all those years ago). I do think it might have been Harvey - if she wanted a relationship not just one night and Harvey wasn't at a point where he could meet his deeply moralistic standards for the fidelity and loyalty for a real relationship, not a one night stand. Again, different book but same page to use your phrase...

[onlywordsnow]

I think they are both very capable of one night stands. I don't think the other time is as complicated as people have tried to make it.

Harvey says, "about that time, you once you told me-"

I think that time was just about conversation and admissions.

[bristow1941]

So you think they are currently capable of one night stands with each other? Without destroying their current work relationship?

Because I think they both have one night stands with other people. And I think they may have slept together way in the past, but recently? Since "that time"? Because I'm not sure...

I don't think Harvey would sleep with Donna unless he was planning a relationship if he's under the impression he implies when he says. "about that time, you once you told me-" and after she left and came back, I think it's too afraid to wreck something he now knows he can't work without...

[onlywordsnow]

I don't think they are capable of a one night stand with each other. I didn't mean that. I think that they have never slept together, that "that time" was just them having a conversation and she told him in some way that could have feelings for him.

I don't think it's fear that repels them. I think that it's just that they knew they weren't ready for the longest time and then they thought they didn't have feelings for each other any more. I think what's going to be happening next is that they are going to realize that isn't true.