oh so you're a man that must mean you're better than me

[onlywordsnow]

This is just a rant about all of the men in Shondaland (save for Mark Sloan and Jake Riley and even a bit of Sheldon Wallace).

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[onlywordsnow]

For starters, I never should have included that in the first place, in retrospect. I mean, they broke up for many fantastic reasons and, in my opinion, I don't see why they would try again and again and again other than the fact that the challenge of moving on is increased 1000% when you see that person every day. There was no clean cut. In fact, the closest they got to it was the short time he spent in LA.

When he came back, they were both mad at each other about the same thing when neither really had the right to be. I actually at one point in their relationship forgot that they were together (early season 6), and this could have just been me because I have a way of doing that sometimes, but I would have been more okay with them reuniting had it not been dragged on for so long. However, I was elated when Alex/Lexie were back together.

The point of the post was more supposed to be about the men as individuals and less about them in relationships. The thing about Mark, and this is probably just because I defend him always, is that I think it was less because it is A and more because it is Mark. That's probably just me, but that deserves an entire post in it's own.

I get where you are coming from though with the whole his attitude. It's possible that I am just blind to it. haha.

Did you know that I once wrote Alex/Izzie fic? I'm not a huge shipper, at all, but I wrote it once.

[waltzmatildah]

Oh, I absolutely realise that I've gotten you off topic here! Haha! It's because I agree with everything else that you said and there was just this one line that I disagreed with but that wasn't even really fundamental to your original post, but it's a topic that's at the forefront of my GA mind these days, and so I jumped on it mostly so I could have something other than "yes to everything" to say in reply to your post :)

However, I do think it can be problematic to handwave someone's predjudices/problematic ideas as okay because it's 'just the way they are', or 'how they were brought up'.

I think it was less because it is A and more because it is Mark.

This is a bit like saying it's okay to be/not your fault if you are racist if you were bought up in a racist family. Well, no it doesn't (shouldn't) work like that. And while I don't think that's exactly what you're doing here with Mark, there does seem to be a LITTLE bit of that creeping in? Like, his male chauvinism is okay because it stems from how he was raised... See what I mean? So, I think it's fine to say that Mark's attitudes stem from his upbringing because, well, duh! BUT I do think the lines get blurry when we start to use that excuse to then justify them. There's a difference between Explaining and Justifying.

Having said all that, I also know what it's like to stan a character, for example I can defend and justify every single move Izzie Stevens ever made on this show (and even moves that she didn't!), and will stand by my opinions 'til I turn blue in the face...! But I guess I just think that if you post meta, you probably want to be engaged in a balanced conversation about it and so... that's what I'm doing here (and which is why I'll never post meta about Izzie!!). Definitely don't take this as me saying YOU'RE WRONG, because that's NOT AT ALL what I'm trying to say. More like, I see your point BUT... :)

Everyone, EVERYONE, should have to write me Alex/Izzie!!

[onlywordsnow]

I think more than anything Mark is ignorant to relationships. I don't, by any means, find him blameless in any way. I just think that where as he is seemingly chauvinistic (you've got me there), he doesn't corner Lexie while being so. I think that overall, it's easier to ignore when it isn't in your face. It seemed to me that it reached a point in season 8 that he said nothing and she did all of the talking. He was 100% aware of the fact that they didn't want the same things and didn't want to go back there. I think in the finale, he took her saying "I love you" as "I understand the things that you want but I love you anyway and I want to be with you", even though he clearly states that he knows better than that.

Well, I am writing you Alex/Lucy...which I like.