no advice, but a question
anonymous
September 4 2011, 06:01:23 UTC
Can you pray tell me - since you know this teacher personally - how this "all judges are corrupt" primitive message was supposed to somehow impart a message that will foster good feelings about Yidishkeit in the students? Also, what statement of Chazal prompted this teacher to make such a pronouncement? As to the Reform and Conservative, there is a VAST difference in calling THEM not Jewish and calling their PRACTICE not Jewish. I don't believe that an Orthodox school has to be apologetic about voicing it's refusal to recognize those as legitimate expressions of Judaism, your imaginary "reform relatives" notwithstanding. SO, if the teacher ACTUALLY claimed THEY are not Jewish, you have something to take to the principal, if she attacked their practice, and you have a problem with that, I predict you will not get an understanding reception.
Re: no advice, but a questiononionsoupmixSeptember 4 2011, 12:14:18 UTC
1. I don't know this teacher personally, not sure what I wrote that led you to that conclusion...
2. That said, from what I understood, the message is ashreinu mah tov chelkeinu.
3. I do have reform relatives
4. If an orthodox school won't accept reform and conservative movements as legitimate Judaic streams, fine let them not accept these practices. Who cares? Maybe the orthodox school also accepts only one kind of roofing contractor. Who cares? I don't understand why the hostility needs to be taught. Welcome to your first day of school kinderlach. Let's remember that we are the true Jews and everyone else is a phony.
Re: no advice, but a question
anonymous
September 4 2011, 19:35:50 UTC
1. I don't know this teacher personally, not sure what I wrote that led you to that conclusion... I meant to write. "I would assume you know this teacher personally". My bad.
2. That said, from what I understood, the message is ashreinu mah tov chelkeinu. "What a pathetic way to impart this message!
3. I do have reform relatives In this case, your conversation with the principal should be easier.
4. If an orthodox school won't accept reform and conservative movements as legitimate Judaic streams, fine let them not accept these practices. Who cares? Maybe the orthodox school also accepts only one kind of roofing contractor. Who cares? I don't understand why the hostility needs to be taught. Welcome to your first day of school kinderlach. Let's remember that we are the true Jews and everyone else is a phony.Hostility shouldn't be taught. "we are true Jews" shouldn't be the message (or internal belief, for that matter). However, your comparison with a roofing contractor is silly, this isn't a vocational construction school, I assume
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Re: no advice, but a questiononionsoupmixSeptember 4 2011, 20:23:56 UTC
AT SOME POINT (even if it isn't the first day of school), the question of how Halacha views reform and conservative practice is BOUND to come up in school and though, again, the individual reform and conservative Jews (those that are, that is) should never be called 'not really Jewish', the orthodox view of those movements is a legitimate 'hashkofo' (hate the word) issue that should be addressed
it can be addressed more cerebrally and less emotionally. We, the orthodox community, don't accept reform and conservative movements as authentic for the following reasons. Or, we the orthodox have historically rejected offshoot movements because...
It doesn't have to be a "nyah, nyah, we are better than them, we are smarter than them, they are so lost and confused." I think 9th graders deserve better than that.
As to the Reform and Conservative, there is a VAST difference in calling THEM not Jewish and calling their PRACTICE not Jewish. I don't believe that an Orthodox school has to be apologetic about voicing it's refusal to recognize those as legitimate expressions of Judaism, your imaginary "reform relatives" notwithstanding. SO, if the teacher ACTUALLY claimed THEY are not Jewish, you have something to take to the principal, if she attacked their practice, and you have a problem with that, I predict you will not get an understanding reception.
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2. That said, from what I understood, the message is ashreinu mah tov chelkeinu.
3. I do have reform relatives
4. If an orthodox school won't accept reform and conservative movements as legitimate Judaic streams, fine let them not accept these practices. Who cares? Maybe the orthodox school also accepts only one kind of roofing contractor. Who cares? I don't understand why the hostility needs to be taught. Welcome to your first day of school kinderlach. Let's remember that we are the true Jews and everyone else is a phony.
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I meant to write. "I would assume you know this teacher personally". My bad.
2. That said, from what I understood, the message is ashreinu mah tov chelkeinu.
"What a pathetic way to impart this message!
3. I do have reform relatives
In this case, your conversation with the principal should be easier.
4. If an orthodox school won't accept reform and conservative movements as legitimate Judaic streams, fine let them not accept these practices. Who cares? Maybe the orthodox school also accepts only one kind of roofing contractor. Who cares? I don't understand why the hostility needs to be taught. Welcome to your first day of school kinderlach. Let's remember that we are the true Jews and everyone else is a phony.Hostility shouldn't be taught. "we are true Jews" shouldn't be the message (or internal belief, for that matter). However, your comparison with a roofing contractor is silly, this isn't a vocational construction school, I assume ( ... )
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it can be addressed more cerebrally and less emotionally. We, the orthodox community, don't accept reform and conservative movements as authentic for the following reasons. Or, we the orthodox have historically rejected offshoot movements because...
It doesn't have to be a "nyah, nyah, we are better than them, we are smarter than them, they are so lost and confused." I think 9th graders deserve better than that.
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