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[onb2017]

Раз меня вчера так облайкали и и облагодетельствовали в один присест,-почти как выдающиеся капиталисты-филантропы!-то в благодарность напишу, пожалуй, короткий внеплановый пост об еще одном благодетеле. Сто раз зарекалась упоминать этого инфантильного героя определенной категории самоудовлетворяющихся граждан, одновременно увлекающихся космосом…

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[matrixmann]

In short words: Mars these days looks like what earth could be like one day if all of that environmental destruction by man goes on as it is and if the very wrong outer conditions do their rest on top of it.

I would make the guess, if they really started colonizing Mars successfully, it was another thing with a function like Australia in past centuries: Here they send all their prisoners as an exile (to hopefully die there) and as a possible place to work until the very day.
Like in a lot of dystopic SciFi movies.

[onb2017]

The other way around: it used to be like Earth.3.5 billion years ago due to the dense atmosphere. Now the chances that it contains any water are very slim. About colonizing--agree, kind of like that.

[matrixmann]

Yeah, that's what I have in the back of my mind.
Mars once used to look like earth looks today; for some reason that changed.
But, just because that changed, it should be taken into consideration that this could potentially happen to earth too if things go on as they do.
Last but not least, one doesn't know why it vanished.
The effects done to the atmosphere of earth by mankind's acting pose no less a threat to make a similar thing happenand then let it look like this what Mars looks like today.

[onb2017]

Oh, yes. You know, you are totally right. And it may happen sooner than everyone expects.

[matrixmann]

Who knows? Maybe there even was life on Mars before.
But during the course of the planet losing its atmosphere, everything of it died and became as crispy and fell to dust that you can't recognize anything anymore.
I mean... what would this planet here look like 3.5 billion years after everything died? Would there be any signs left that mankind had existed? It would hardly be imaginable.

[onb2017]

3.5 billion years? No way we will make it that far at this rate. In any case the Earth's sun id expected to die in about 7 billion years or so. I mean something devastating may happen even in our life time. Look at the crazy climate patterns and disasters even nowadays. Even without evaporation the water resources are kind of scarce in some areas. Especially where capitalists devastated the water sources for profit--to bottle water and sell or produce some garbage.

[matrixmann]

In big changes, I remember an example which they found out about a couple of years ago: Sahara once used to contain a large inland lake at about 1000 years ago.
These days, you scratch your head while trying to imagine this... One of the dryest and hottest places on earth.

[onb2017]

Well, climate did change without human influence but it took a lot of time and the consequences were not as dramatic for the whole Earth in general. Now capitalists are using it to say that climate change is something that uncontrolled production of junk has nothing to do with and continue wrecking everything around for no reason manufacturing cars instead of public transportation or producing useless junk or goods that nobody can afford and they end up in the landfill or the ocean. I mean the useless goods, not the capitalists...unfortunately.

[matrixmann]

Without human influence such things take a long time, that's true.
With human influence, in this way that industrialized mankind is able to do it, nobody knows how long or short it'll take to get things going into such a direction.
Let me get this straight - with and without humans, climate changes take place on the earth. Mankind is only like a huge catalyzer for it, if it doesn't realize in time which of its acts speed it up and in which amount and if it doesn't do anything to reduce that behavior.
That effect in general would apply even though. (You know how they say that the next ice age in Europe is already overdue?) It's a pure lie if mass media spread the message now that "if we only live like ascetic monks and beggars and purchase X like pious believers, then climate change won't happen." Climate change happens time and time again, it's up to humans to adapt to it (if they want to survive) - and this means, the times of plenty from the last century are overI keep thinking of the example of the empty oceans and rivers - no fish

[ext_5254994]

Greetings. I've read about an experiment taken by a group of marine biologists and some governments. They somehow (a miracle maybe, something big died in a forest) agreed to stop the deep sea trailing. The thing, You wrote about, the big tankers in the "open" noones sea. It is almost non profitable nowadays anyway becose of a high maintainance costs and fuel, but the fish input is already low. So, in a couple of years all those mackrell and tunas and herrings regained their numbers and came to the shores, where the fish-getting procedures are much less expensive and hard. So it was a positive outcome for fish and men both. Cant look for the link now, cos of phone-surfing. Have a good one, comrade.