Сколько стоит прокатиться на вертолете vs сколько, если пройти пешком

Sep 15, 2017 06:06


Не хотелось опять эксплуатировать эту тему, но больно хорошая демонстрация положения вещей. Тем более, что можно сравнить. Опять медицинская помощь. Два диаметрально противоположных случая и трудно выбрать какой из них более циничен. Каждый по-своему отвратителен, но у них одно общее: интересы общества. Вернее, отсутствие. В одном случае, наглая ( Read more... )

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matrixmann September 16 2017, 14:06:39 UTC
Why I have the feeling that it's not so far away from the circumstances here...
Well, I mean the "getting the treatment that you need in due time".
'Cause that, systematically, also already is an issue here.
When it's an emergency, well, then they pick you up to wherever you need to go.
But, if it's not, if you got an appointment with a doctor somewhere far away, even if it's a section of medicine that you don't have in the area around you present, then that's all your fucking problem how to get there.
Only it becomes different when you got a certificate of disability ("Behindertenausweis"), but I also got the feeling like you even really need to force your doctor or hospital to give you a paper to call you a taxi with that and you can get home / or to the place you need to be at when you got a piece of paper like this.
Don't know how they did that 30 or 40 years ago, but to me it already is like a little cheekiness - 'cause you can't expect everyone to have a big family or circle of friends so that he can get you where you have to be, public transportation also doesn't always work according to your needs, and, at all, who the hell always says that you're able yourself to get there? Send some small-town guy to the big city and you know what I'm talking about. Orientation? Fuck, even GPS can't get you orientation in a confusing place that you're usually not used to live in (also, who says you got a GPS device? talking about "things that are considered self-evident").
All in all, just alone that shit I feel like it's made this way just to keep you away from important treatments.
If you seek special help from a doctor, especially the psych segment is full of that, then you get the same impression as they tend to toss and turn the issue as they want - and if it's got the indication only to be a more complicated issue, then they seem to switch down to some mode of downplaying things and making it an easy issue for them. Perhaps you got the luck that they send you away to somebody else, but even if that happens, it takes the same form at the other doctor later. As I said: Tossing and turning everything around until it fits a certain frame the person before you wants it to be.
Complicated shit, nobody seems to want... Regardless of that fact if it truly is a complicated issue.
I regard that also as stalling tactics or tactics to get rid of you, so you don't make use of your full medical rights.

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onb2017 September 16 2017, 14:26:52 UTC
Oh, thanks, if I had a wider audience I would expect someone to say something like "well, in Germany or Sweden or Norway or something like that, they have a great medical care at low cost so checkmate, it's not capitalism". And I was trying to find some info but it required way more time to write so I didn't even mention but suspected.

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matrixmann September 16 2017, 14:55:33 UTC
Err... It's also a little hard to understanding everything properly.
You know, on a systematic level, it all leads to similar results. But the ways that lead there are all pretty different from each other. It simply has to do with the way those systems have developed in each country.
But based on that, there begins the deconstruction of illusions. That you can really say "this has a different look on the outside and a different way it works, but transmitted onto the people who have to live with it, it's just the same foul soup put into new cans.".
You know, for example, here you don't have to do as much with astronomically high bills to pay, but with just that missing, it doesn't mean it's paradise here. Then you got other tricks to get rid of people who needed medical help.
Just as I tried to explain it from my position, this way, e. g., is to keep you far away from doctors of specialized segments. Or that the doctors downplay shit to get you put onto a treatment that doesn't put as much ballast on the granted standard budget from the health insurance for treating you.
Result is the same: You don't pay endlessly high bills yourself, but you also don't get the treatment that you need.

People might just only focus on the first aspect, 'cause it's their own worst problem in their country, and conclude from it that such a system that doesn't have that must be paradise.
But if you live with it, or if you understand how it works together with the life circumstances common in a country, then you get to understand and tell to others "no, there's not a paradise".
You see, something can't be paradise if you know the average of the populace is much too poor to reach out to its benefits even though. Or if an already bigger part of the populace gets denied what they need from that system.
Understand what I mean?

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onb2017 September 16 2017, 16:07:02 UTC
Yeah, I see, you need to live there to understand and if through bureaucracy or lack of access the benefits are not available what good are they? So gain we have to look at how many people are moving towards being poor and that's the better indicator of how things are, I guess.

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matrixmann September 16 2017, 18:07:33 UTC
Well, I think you know from which point of approach I'm always trying to come from...
The general pattern lying open doesn't use anything if people don't find their own relation to it. If they can't see how the same thing is organized in their world.

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