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[kshandra]

Keith Olbermann Defends Cutting Into Rachel Maddow's Show on TwitterThe wankstorm that the "Supersized Edition" of Countdown (along with the mention that the 63-minute-runtime will be standard) generated last night was epic; the article above only covers a portion of it. I'm of about six minds on the whole thing, personally. Is he deliberately

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[dutchtulips]

I think everyone needs to chill. Of course he still loves Rachel, but he's on a new network now, some of his loyalties have changed, and that's the nature of the beast. It's a bit weird, sure, but it's only three minutes, not twenty, and I doubt much is going to be missed if you want to flip over at 9 for Rachel. During the fall/winter, I would have to miss half his show completely on Thursdays because I couldn't DVR three programs at once. But it wasn't the end of the world for me, and this three minute thing shouldn't be for anyone else.

This is just the way the TV thing works sometimes. It doesn't mean he loves Rachel any less. Hers isn't the only show at 9. To quote Michael Corleone - It's not personal, it's business.

[ayarane]

Thank you. I think people need to understand that despite what it looks like, TV shows are not scheduled with fandom's pleasure in mind. These channels must compete to survive, and they don't need to (nor should they) care if they hurt your feelings because they made you choose.

Cry and vent and tweet all you like, but this is the new reality for everyone involved. Don't expect Current and MSNBC to bend over backwards for you anymore than they already do.

[dutchtulips]

Good point. We know he loves Rachel, but for heaven's sake, he didn't commit high treason against her. He went to a new network, and this is what competing networks do. Loyalties have changed, and that's just the way it is. But it doesn't mean they hate each other now. People are making this a bigger deal than it is.

TV shows are not scheduled with fandom's pleasure in mind.

Hell, reality isn't. We should be used to this.

[chardonnay]

my, what a lovely icon you have.

[dutchtulips]

Ditto! xD

[chardonnay]

where did you find such lovely SN icons?

[dutchtulips]

jukebox_grad, mostly. They're up to your elbows over there. ;D

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[yank_abroad]

The problem isn't that Keith loves Rachel any less or wants to pick a fight with her. It's that he's trying to annoy Phil Griffin, and Griffin is taking shots back, and it seems like they're both using Rachel to do it.

Think about it. Keith has been declaring that he plans to steal Rachel from MSNBC for weeks, as if it's a foregone conclusion that she'll follow him wherever he goes. Griffin fires back by praising Rachel as MSNBC's star player and shrugging off Keith's debut with "it's just another Monday," and then Rachel just happens to get booked as a guest on Lawrence's show while Keith is on TV. And then Keith makes a transparent move to peel off some of Maddow's viewers.

Meanwhile Rachel is just trying to do her job, but now she has to deal with all this gossip about Keith and Griffin fighting over her like she's some kind of prize. Yeah, it's only three minutes and she'll be fine, but if I were in her position I'd be pretty annoyed.

[dutchtulips]

The difference being - Keith actually gives a damn about Rachel. I don't care about whatever fight he's trying to pick with Phil Griffin, I just think it's ridiculous for people to think this development creates some sort of personal animosity between he and Rachel when I think it should be clear that it isn't. If Keith wants to wage some sort of battle, that's his nickel. What I care about is people making a big deal out of it being over something that it isn't.

[yank_abroad]

Of course Keith still cares about Rachel. And Keith's critics on this issue still care about him. But sticking Rachel in the middle of his ego feud with Griffin puts her in a really tough position, whether Keith means it that way or not. Now if Rachel leaves MSNBC but doesn't go to Current it's going to look like a personal attack on Keith.

I doubt there's any major animosity between them, but there were signs Rachel was annoyed. I'm told she made a pointed remark on Monday about how her show ends at the top of the hour and the next one begins.

[dutchtulips]

Well, I'm certainly not going to blame her if she feels that way, of course. But I'm not going to view this as some sort of high treason on his behalf. It's just not logical.