South Korea's 4B movement going viral after Trump’s win

[goshipgurl]

‘No man will touch me until I have my rights back’: why is the 4B movement going viral after Trump’s win? https://t.co/II8St8H9w6
- The Guardian (@guardian) November 7, 2024

• The 4B movement is going viral on social media after Trump's win this week, with many girls and women encouraging each other to avoid dating and physical contact with men as

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[mzgrottesca]

The "Why can't I join just because I have a boyfriend/husband?" responses I've seen to 4B have me kinda sorta actively seething, almost as much as the western (typically white...) "feminists" getting all up in knots with their "Yeah but Korean feminists are BAD and MEAN, actually only WESTERN feminism has it right! They don't even like makeup or porn! 😤" takes.

I think 4B is a cool idea. Voluntary celibacy until men get their act together is a lot more logical than the "political lesbianism" of the 2nd wave (namely, the fact you can't choose your way into being a lesbian and to suggest so delegitimizes it as a real sexuality). My only issue with it is the fact I do not think men are CAPABLE of getting their act together as a group, so lmao but hey, if some of the girlies wanna be optimistic and believe men can do better, why not?

Also, here's your daily reminder you can fully be a radical feminist or a student of radical feminist theory without being trans-exclusionary, and the transphobic tradwives should not be considered the face of the movement, particularly since most of them identify as ANTI-FEMINIST and could not name a radical feminist figure or scholar if their lives depended on it lmao.

[pepsi_twist9]

Trad wives as a movement is so crazy to me. It ignores actual history to prove a point. And it acts like people wouldn't want to make their food all the time if they had the means to do so. There are so many food influencers that make everything from scratch but they aren't Trad wives but they do the same things. Absolutely wild.

[mzgrottesca]

These are people who either never spoke to their grandmothers, or whose grandmothers never felt free enough to speak on their experiences during the era these numbskulls love to romanticize. When I was like 10 years old I will never forget my grandmother telling me "Whatever you do, never get married to a man. Find a handsome one and make use of him for shacking up, but never be his slave."

[ahkna]

I say this to people all the time, but my great grandmother got married at 16, had 10 kids and was notoriously unhappy and bitter. Of her kids, one had no kids, two adopted, and the rest had between 1-2, with only one going so far as to have 3 kids. And none of those kids had more than 3 when they grew up either.

To me, all of them, boys and girls, saw what that lifestyle did to their mother/grandmother and actively chose to avoid it.

[ahkna]

What's extra funny is that they make huge amounts of money, usually more than their husbands. So they're not even really being "tradwives".

[nomoneyfun]

Thank you for this comment, especially the reminder that radical movements do not have to be trans-exclusionary. I feel like I'm losing my mind at some of the reactions to the IDEA of adopting 4B. It's become clear to me that a lot of women find sex with/being partnered to men the main way they assure themselves of their value. Not only can they not conceive this isn't true for all women, they're also threatened at delegitimizing heteropatriarchal arrangements as normative.

[msgovna]

Sorry, I haven't really been following this (though I've heard of the 4B and 6B SK movement) but by "trans exclusionary" do you mean no sex with only cis men? As in trans men are excluded?

[mzgrottesca]

Sorry, I may not have been clear - I'm referring to people saying the 4B movement is transphobic because it was started by radical feminists. People associate radical feminism with anti-trans movements, but transphobia is not an inherent part of radical feminism (although analyzation of gender as a concept/construct certainly is).

[my_moloko]

I initially read this as "you CAN'T fully be a radical feminist or a student of radical feminist theory without being trans-exclusionary" and I was pisssssed. Glad I double checked to be sure.