Emma D’Arcy continues to be the best actor on this show. They are really incredible.
I’m sorry, but Alicent and Cole as a messy ass couple and their catholic guilt sex are hilarious. I feel like they tried to make Cole ~complex last season and now they’re just fully leaning into the unlikability, which I really appreciate lol. It’s going to feel so good when he finally dies. He and Aegon working together and encouraging each other’s toxicity is going to be a DISASTER.
Baela and Jace are so cute and sweet together so I’m assuming they’ll have a heartbreaking ending, but I’m still asking the tv gods to please protect them for as long as possible. I was bummed that it seemed like Baela was getting sent off to be offscreen, but based on the preview we’re actually going to see her do stuff which I’m very excited about (but lol at Rhaenyra sending her instead of Jace because it’s too dangerous)
I hate that they pushed Helaena to the side. I really wish they would do more with her. It’s also weird that Aemond didn’t seem to have much of a reaction to what happened her and his nephew.
Who’s Daeron/Darren? Are they really implying that Alicent has another son? I do not remember him at all. Was he around last season?
ah ok - I haven't read the book and I do NOT remember him from last season lol. I wonder if he'll show up at all or if they'll just keep him off screen
the show is probably going to change this bc daeron is probably the same age as jace or luke so it made zero sense for him to just...not be around lmao
Do you think he'll be made older or younger? tbh I liked that in canon he and Jace were "milk brothers", and I always wondered what would've happened if he hadn't been sent away to foster at Oldtown. (I have exhausted the Daeron/Jace tag on ao3.)
I still can't wrap my head around the creative decision to deage Joffrey and Aegon + Vis, because[Spoiler (click to open)]how are Joff and Aeg going to be shown in whichever future season mounting dragons if they're all little kids barely over the age of 5? The writers are going to have to SORAS them or add years to the war. I don't know.
i'm really interested in how they're going to include daeron and explain his absence from any of the scenes when the kids were younger. i also really liked the canon decision to make him and jace milk brothers and kind of wish they'd explored that a little.
it makes more sense if they're going to try and extend the war as long as possible, but realistically i just feel like there's no way they can do it well enough to stretch it to a point where aegon goes from 3? 4? to 10. i'm curious where that leaves jaehaera, like are they going to have a 6 year old do what she does? i mean i guess it makes the aegon/daenaera thing more age appropriate but idk, i wish i could get into the heads of the writers to understand their creative decisions. they desperately wanted that conflict in episode 5, with joffrey but still wanted jace and luke to be children, but messing around with the ages of the characters really puts some of their actions into question.
It'll be interesting to see how fucked up Daeron is or isn't compared to his older siblings, having grown up away from KL and Otto and Alicent.
Yeah, the decision to fuck around with Rhaenyra's youngest kids' ages just seems ill-thought out. I think with Joffrey, the writers wanted to show his birth (and the whole charade of Rhaenyra presenting her children to the Queen Consort), and they didn't want to do another 3 year jump (to Laena's funeral and the Vhagar fight), so they just advanced Jace and Luke's ages by a significant amount and made Joffrey their junior by like 7-8 years? (It also seems like the showrunners wanted to make Rhaenyra and Harwin's affair into this longstanding thing when they only were together for 5-6 years max.)
Which is fine, whatever. But the decision to present Aegon III and Viserys II as toddler babies when Viserys died feels like an oversight. Even if they were at least Jaehaerys and Jaehaera's ages, it would be better for story pacing. Oh well. We'll see what happens. I just hope they don't get rid of the Stormcloud storyline in the Battle of the Gullet!
tbh people upset at them ending on alicent and cole again as if that isn’t the point of the arc of alicent’s scenes kinda irk me lmao
she breaks down in front of otto who does not give her any type of emotional comfort. then she walks in on aegon breaking down and she’s incapable of giving him any comfort bc she has no idea how and she blames herself for putting him in this state. so in the end instead of finding any way to feel better she does the one thing that will make her feel the worst. she self-flagellates by literally physically hitting cole (as a reflection of herself) before letting herself descend into self-destruction by doing what brings her the most self hatred and shame
the amount of people i’ve seen complaining about how “she left her child in grief to go fuck her guard” like 🥴🥴🥴 like those two things are directly tied to each other but it’s not indulgent!? she can’t comfort aegon because she’s incapable of it, and blames herself and ironically can’t share that with anyone but the person who she sinned with. so cole is simultaneously the point of greatest shame and also comfort for her
this is what i mean re: media literacy being especially dead with the hotd fandom, all they want to do is take things at face value
Honestly! Alicent cries over all of this and Ottos' just like "Ok". Alicent is a product of Otto, and her children are a product of her and Viserys, even though we know from season 1 Alicent loves her children and will fight for them tooth and nail to only have their father choose his other child over them constantly.
I hate the Alicent slander because I find her so fascinating, and I feel Olivia portrays her excellently. Alicent is grieving the loss of her grandson, a child her daughter was forced to have as a child, and Alicent is grieving the heartache of her daughter, who is a child that she had as a child. It's becoming generational trauma imo.
THANK YOU. People saying the ending to this episode was as much of a let down as the previous one are so dull and reductive in their reasoning. As if they didn't spend the whole episode showing us the awfull skills the greens have to show any sort of compassion or affection towards one another. Aemond reacted the same way, Aegon's perpetual alcoholism is yet another way to cope through self imposed pain. This whole self inflicting damage through trauma is a constant in this family and people not seeing it is BONKERS.
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Emma D’Arcy continues to be the best actor on this show. They are really incredible.
I’m sorry, but Alicent and Cole as a messy ass couple and their catholic guilt sex are hilarious. I feel like they tried to make Cole ~complex last season and now they’re just fully leaning into the unlikability, which I really appreciate lol. It’s going to feel so good when he finally dies. He and Aegon working together and encouraging each other’s toxicity is going to be a DISASTER.
Baela and Jace are so cute and sweet together so I’m assuming they’ll have a heartbreaking ending, but I’m still asking the tv gods to please protect them for as long as possible. I was bummed that it seemed like Baela was getting sent off to be offscreen, but based on the preview we’re actually going to see her do stuff which I’m very excited about (but lol at Rhaenyra sending her instead of Jace because it’s too dangerous)
I hate that they pushed Helaena to the side. I really wish they would do more with her. It’s also weird that Aemond didn’t seem to have much of a reaction to what happened her and his nephew.
Who’s Daeron/Darren? Are they really implying that Alicent has another son? I do not remember him at all. Was he around last season?
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yeah i believe daeron was in the book and i can't recall if we saw him in the show, but i guess they brought him back
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ah ok - I haven't read the book and I do NOT remember him from last season lol. I wonder if he'll show up at all or if they'll just keep him off screen
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Here is a refresher: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Daeron_Targaryen_(son_of_Viserys_I)
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I still can't wrap my head around the creative decision to deage Joffrey and Aegon + Vis, because[Spoiler (click to open)]how are Joff and Aeg going to be shown in whichever future season mounting dragons if they're all little kids barely over the age of 5? The writers are going to have to SORAS them or add years to the war. I don't know.
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it makes more sense if they're going to try and extend the war as long as possible, but realistically i just feel like there's no way they can do it well enough to stretch it to a point where aegon goes from 3? 4? to 10. i'm curious where that leaves jaehaera, like are they going to have a 6 year old do what she does? i mean i guess it makes the aegon/daenaera thing more age appropriate but idk, i wish i could get into the heads of the writers to understand their creative decisions. they desperately wanted that conflict in episode 5, with joffrey but still wanted jace and luke to be children, but messing around with the ages of the characters really puts some of their actions into question.
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Yeah, the decision to fuck around with Rhaenyra's youngest kids' ages just seems ill-thought out. I think with Joffrey, the writers wanted to show his birth (and the whole charade of Rhaenyra presenting her children to the Queen Consort), and they didn't want to do another 3 year jump (to Laena's funeral and the Vhagar fight), so they just advanced Jace and Luke's ages by a significant amount and made Joffrey their junior by like 7-8 years? (It also seems like the showrunners wanted to make Rhaenyra and Harwin's affair into this longstanding thing when they only were together for 5-6 years max.)
Which is fine, whatever. But the decision to present Aegon III and Viserys II as toddler babies when Viserys died feels like an oversight. Even if they were at least Jaehaerys and Jaehaera's ages, it would be better for story pacing. Oh well. We'll see what happens. I just hope they don't get rid of the Stormcloud storyline in the Battle of the Gullet!
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she breaks down in front of otto who does not give her any type of emotional comfort. then she walks in on aegon breaking down and she’s incapable of giving him any comfort bc she has no idea how and she blames herself for putting him in this state. so in the end instead of finding any way to feel better she does the one thing that will make her feel the worst. she self-flagellates by literally physically hitting cole (as a reflection of herself) before letting herself descend into self-destruction by doing what brings her the most self hatred and shame
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How very Buffy S6 of her!
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I loved Alicent this episode because you can see how she just struggles to be there for her children because she doesn't know how to be.
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this is what i mean re: media literacy being especially dead with the hotd fandom, all they want to do is take things at face value
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I hate the Alicent slander because I find her so fascinating, and I feel Olivia portrays her excellently. Alicent is grieving the loss of her grandson, a child her daughter was forced to have as a child, and Alicent is grieving the heartache of her daughter, who is a child that she had as a child. It's becoming generational trauma imo.
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THANK YOU. People saying the ending to this episode was as much of a let down as the previous one are so dull and reductive in their reasoning. As if they didn't spend the whole episode showing us the awfull skills the greens have to show any sort of compassion or affection towards one another. Aemond reacted the same way, Aegon's perpetual alcoholism is yet another way to cope through self imposed pain. This whole self inflicting damage through trauma is a constant in this family and people not seeing it is BONKERS.
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