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lonesomes June 24 2024, 01:37:01 UTC
guys this episode honestly gave me a massive headache. like, the stress it put me through despite knowing how it turns out. god. claudia deserved so much better and her standing there defiant, protecting the only person who has ever chosen her first (”my coven is claudia” ;___;). adore her so much. SHE BETTER HAUNT THESE FUCKERS UNTIL THEY DIE TBH WE CAN’T LOSE DELAINEY YET. I LOVE HER.

all the lestat stuff was ‘sakdf;lkf i have no words???? i think they handled it really well. the moments where he clearly goes off-script and santiago and sam are panicking made me laugh ngl but then i appreciate them not being like ACTUALLY IT WAS MUTUAL ABUSE re: what happened in 1x05 (although it seems like certain viewers think the show was taking it that way??? i don’t get how). yes louis fought back but they have lestat straight up admit what he did was wrong and that there was a significant power imbalance there. and i’ve seen some people be like “don’t believe him!!” when the whole point was that he is saying things that AREN’T scripted???? these are like the few moments in the trial where he’s actually sincere and it’s louis recounting this moment NOT lestat. i know certain viewers feel the need to have things so black and white but i don’t think the show is interested in catering to those viewers. lestat is an abuser and he did abuse louis and claudia and the show does not refute that (and i’m thankful that the writers are always insistent on never backtracking from that) but he also DID love them and he also did regret it. it can be both. the same goes for armand loving louis but messing up his brain and being involved in claudia dying. the writers take this undoubtedly monstrous characters and present them as they are. they’re not saying “see them as the good guys or see them as the bad guy”, they’re simply saying here are their actions, take it as you will. and considering how obsessed viewers nowadays are of getting instant gratification when it comes to their stories and having a clear good guy and bad guy to root for, i love that the writers refuse to go that route. i love that they truly take advantage of their medium too and each episode FEELS like an episode of tv and not like an 8 hour long movie or whatever nonsense some showrunners say.

but also the show is adding additional commentary re: how *lestat* can tell his story (or the version of the story that is scripted and meant for the audience) and be believed and listened to but *claudia* and *louis* cannot. it’s also a commentary on WHO are allowed to be seen as the victims here. the all white jury and audience. the white victim. the moment where they have claudia call this out specifically is so so good. this show, man. these writers. this is how you adapt a show and racebend characters while also acknowledging HOW their race informs the narrative. it’s not just them casting black actors and then acting as if race no longer exists in this world. i also don’t want to ignore armand’s part in all this because even if he somehow didn’t orchestrate this whole thing, he stood there and watched it all happen. they’re saying something with that too and i’m sure someone much smarter than me has an essay in hand for that although i feel like episode 8 will give us even more revelations as well. because come on now, armand ur baby doe eyes will not win me over this time!!!!!!!!! VAMPIRE SAM HELD YOU BACK???? SAM???? BITCH STOP LYING!!!

okay lastly, louis dragging claudia’s body as he pleads to lestat to turn her is so haunting and horrific. louis loved her, i know he did, but he failed her too. they both failed her so badly. god. even her own turning really wasn’t about her but louis trying to alleviate his guilt and lestat doing so because he loved louis. you get that in season 1 too but it’s even more horrific now. claudia please haunt your dear old dads.

this is the best show on tv. the only thing that has come close this year is shogun and it KILLS me this cast and crew are not going to get the awards recognition they richly deserve.

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silverstarry June 24 2024, 01:47:02 UTC
but also the show is adding additional commentary re: how *lestat* can tell his story (or the version of the story that is scripted and meant for the audience) and be believed and listened to but *claudia* and *louis* cannot. it’s also a commentary on WHO are allowed to be seen as the victims here. the all white jury and audience. the white victim. the moment where they have claudia call this out specifically is so so good.

I LOVED when Claudia pointed out that Lestat was allowed to apologize for what he did and that was apparently good enough for the avocats and the jury, but that she wasn't allowed to do the same. She understood exactly how things worked. They were willing to overlook/justify the laws that Lestat broke and let him not be punished but she and Louis were not allowed the same.

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wwgrogudo June 24 2024, 02:01:07 UTC
Vampire Sam being the strongest of them all, who knew?!🫠🤔😒🙄😶

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trumpydoesmagic June 24 2024, 02:15:17 UTC
but also the show is adding additional commentary re: how *lestat* can tell his story (or the version of the story that is scripted and meant for the audience) and be believed and listened to but *claudia* and *louis* cannot.

This is what's frustrating me so much about "certain" fans. They are convinced Lestat is The One Truthteller no matter what even when he's saying shit HE doesn't believe.

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ladychips June 24 2024, 02:27:01 UTC

how can you call yourself a fan and say that lestat isnt full of it. show, book, movie, lestat is always a lying ass storyteller lol

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trumpydoesmagic June 24 2024, 02:32:47 UTC
It's pure racism. Louis isn't perfect at all and the show doesn't pretend he is but the way those people talk about him is disgusting. I saw too many Lestat fans today saying they "get" why he beat the shit out of Louis after realizing he was gonna leave. They can't accept that the Black characters have been victimized by their blonde blue eyed angel.

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evilpinkmonkey June 24 2024, 09:31:49 UTC
the subreddit for this show is full of people who believed that louis was lying the whole time and completely made up the abuse scene

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sockymous June 24 2024, 10:05:11 UTC
I am finishing the book The Vampire Armand, then on to read MERRICK in which the vampires saga cross over to the witches saga and Claudia's ghost/diaries and true version of her story gets a showdown and closure to a very sorry Lestat seeking redemption... sort of... I am curious to see if the 2 series will get to that in the next season or 2

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icetypejim June 24 2024, 15:14:36 UTC
okay lastly, louis dragging claudia’s body as he pleads to lestat to turn her is so haunting and horrific.

So what I find so interesting about this scene is that within the context of the "trial" it's yet another section you could take as designed to make him look as monstrous as possible, so it's once again hard to determine what's true and what's embellishment. And the thing with Louis is by this point his faith in his own ability to recall events accurately has been shattered for so many reasons, that we don't know if Louis signs off on Lestat's version of Claudia's turning for Daniel's book because it's what actually happened, or because it's what Louis *thinks* happened, or because Louis' guilt has him convinced that's the version of him that deserves to be committed to "history", so to speak, or if it's some mix of all three.

i also don’t want to ignore armand’s part in all this because even if he somehow didn’t orchestrate this whole thing, he stood there and watched it all happen.

Yes, it's funny that in the retelling of the same trial where Santiago emphasizes that a vampire of Lestat's power could've easily done far worse to Louis than he did, Louis also let's Armand get away with pretending like a vampire with a couple hundred years on the next oldest vamp in the room was somehow being held back by playwright Sam. I think this is also why Louis goes "this is hard" and throws the bowl past Armand right as they get to the "sentencing", because even as he's retelling this mutually-agreed-upon version of events, some part of him can't accept the truth of "I could not prevent it".

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