Martin Scorsese Says Leonardo DiCaprio’s ‘Flower Moon’ Performance “Will Endure,” Despite Oscar Snub

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This week’s Variety cover story with Martin Scorsese, Leonardo DiCaprio and Lily Gladstone:

Marty, Leo and Lily: 'Killers of the Flower Moon' Trio on DiCaprio's Oscar Snub, Runtime Discourse and Centering the Osage https://t.co/eDkMbS6Mjl pic.twitter.com/Htv533aTok
- Variety (@Variety) January 26, 2024
Leonardo DiCaprio was snubbed at the Oscars

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[war_machine_rox]

Okay first of all. Without Lily in the scene with him his performance wasn't much to write home about. She carried him.

SECOND! can a man who is murdering his wife slowly and actively killing her family really, really love her?

Marty. Sir. Please.

[alwayspolaris]

Yeah like Marty's interpretation of this character is bonkers. I was going to say I'm a little worried about his wife but then I looked it up and dude has been divorced 5 times - I think we can ignore anything he has to say about healthy marriages.

[thatgum_youlike]

tbf, that interpretation of their relationship came straight from the osage community. it's briefly discussed in the interview but has been mentioned elsewhere as well

[alwayspolaris]

I'd be curious to what their full statement because "truly loved" seems very oversimplified (not a mistrust of your response, I'm just uncertain of Scorsese's interpretation of their their words since I remember members of the Osage had mixed feelings about the film).

[thatgum_youlike]

lily gladstone said this in a deadline interview last month (i'd link but i'm on mobile):

"But one thing that stood out to both Leo and I was how much of a puzzle it was, and how much Margie knew it was going to be a task for Leo and I, to really find what that marriage was. Because it’s so impossible to believe that there was real love there, even though Ernest insisted it until his dying day, and even though the community has said there was love there, Margie has said there was, but then she was incredibly skeptical in our meeting about how we could accomplish it. So we talked about it every which way."

imo there's a lot of oversimplification happening in this post - which is understandable, because how could anyone do what ernest did to mollie if they truly loved them? but life is really fucking complicated and weird sometimes, and full of gray areas, and maybe these very contradictory things can both be true in this instance. there are people in the osage community, including mollie's descendants, who think so.

[alwayspolaris]

Thank you for finding this, and I'm glad it was Lily doing the interview (I could only find stuff from that historian who wrote the book when I tried to look for it, and Margie talking about all she had lost). I definitely agree there is a lot of complexity to the real life situation, though I think there's a big difference between "there was love there" and the idea of "truly" loving someone. Clearly he cared about her, but it seems like his true love was money in the end.

Mostly I worry that calling it truly loving is contributing to a culture of the mistreatment of women (and romantic partners of any gender really) - and native women especially are hard hit by partner violence - because people internalize this idea that someone can treat you this badly *because* they love you, and not that this behavior is antithetical to love but may be a part of a person who is also capable of loving behavior. The two things can be true but they are still separate.

[thispaintedlife]

FIVE times??? omfg know when to quit