DC finally finds their ' kevin feige' in James Gunn & Peter Safran
The hierarchy of power in the DC universe really is changing.
Filmmaker James Gunn and producer Peter Safran have been tapped to lead DC’s film, TV and animation efforts as co-chairs and co-CEOs of DC Studios, a new division that will replace DC Films: https://t.co/ZPFvTHXFok pic.twitter.com/ASTsjXUxgC
- The Hollywood Reporter (@THR) October 25, ( Read more... )
You have The Rock coming in hot saying that the hierarchy of DC is about to change, but then half-mentioning that Black Adam is in line with the Snyderverse, but not fully committing to it because of internal politics. It doesn't help that people have been trashing everything that came of Snyder's movies including his iterations of the characters... but are also fine with it when others continue with said iterations (not the character themselves, but the actual approaches).
These days, Gunn is mostly known for his puerile humour and crassness, and I for one am not interested in his creative input. And as an individual (joking about pedophilia, hosting a pedophilia-themed party for an actual pedo, joking about Batwoman being fucked straight, WW being raped) I find him reprehensible. I found GOTG, and what I've seen of his SS movie, cringe... and that's not what I signed for.
Re: Cavill - people have been using the cowlick and and his suit as Snyder not understanding Superman... mostly because they're stuck on the Reeves version and simply refuse to accept any other type of Superman, which is ironic because even Donner's version was "dated" for its time. The use of the John Williams score when the current Superman already has a score within that universe is backwards and is reminiscent of Whedon's Justice League where WB also went back to Danny Elfman's Batman score. You wouldn't use the Elfman score in The Batman, and you wouldn't use the Wonder Woman theme song as her current one, I also found it ridiculous when the MCU did it with the mutants. For some reason, Superman is the one character they're not letting evolve and if you listen to people, they don't want an actual character, they want a set of ideals compounded in an entity that is a slight variation of Reeves... that's how you get Superman Returns.
People are fine with Snyder not having control of the DCEU, they just want him to finish what he started. He never had complete control of the DCEU, he did his films, Ayer did his, Jenkins did hers, and Wan did his - which ended up contradicting the canon established in his JL movie... so nobody expects and wants Snyder to direct every movie, especially when his plan was 5 main movies (with offshoots like the solo movies) leading to a reboot/Flashpoint event that would've allowed WB to pick and choose what they want to keep from his interpretation.
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“ You have The Rock coming in hot saying that the hierarchy of DC is about to change, but then half-mentioning that Black Adam is in line with the Snyderverse, but not fully committing to it because of internal politics.”
How is he supposed to “fully commit” to the Snyderverse? Why should he be expected to? Nothing The Rock can do would be good enough short of him surrendering to Snyder.
“ hosting a pedophilia-themed party for an actual pedo”
If you’re referring to what I think you are… He didn’t. He didn’t host it, he attended a costume party and the allegations against Jimmy Urine didn’t come out until almost a decade later. It’s dishonest. It would be like saying Snyder knew Ezra Miller and Jared Leto were groomers when he cast them.
“People are fine with Snyder not having control of the DCEU, they just want him to finish what he started. ”
I’m sure Raimi fans wished Raimi could have finished his Spidey series and I’m sure Guillermo del Toro fans wished he could have finished his Hellboy series. Both were screwed by the studios. Guillermo had a trilogy planned, Raimi was working on a fourth film. But the fans more or less accepted it’s not going to happen. You don’t see #restoretheraimiverse being posted again and again and people attacking anyone who decides to do a Spider-Man film.
For better or for worse Warner Bros has moved on and Snyder has well. The fans need to accept that and stop being toxic.
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That's not the point.
What is known is that the "Snyderverse crowd" wants Snyder to complete his arc. #RestoringTheSynderverse is not about him having control over DC for the next 30 years, it's about finishing his movies featuring his iteration of the characters. At this moment, the DCEU has been very much in limbo and half in half out with releasing the Snyder Cut, half rebooting SS, doing The Batman, etc.. During the Black Adam promo cycle and everything leading up The Rock, and WB to an extent, made a point of courting the "Snyderverse crowd." The studio, with its flip-flopping management been sending mixed signals - calling it a cul-de-sac one minute, building on it the other. Nobody is asking The Rock to "surrender."
Re: James Gunn
James Euringer was known to be pedo since the 90s, it's not a "new" thing.
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You're divorcing the wish of restoration of the Snyderverse from its context, which I have already mentioned in my previous comments. The context and the situations are different and the restore... stuff is just a perfect storm that is fuelled by a lack of clarity from the studio, an extreme personal dislike of a director and constant deriding of anybody who would like his movies. And for some reason, the "Snyderverse crowd" is first to be called every name under the sun and have their taste in a movie being politicised to this extent. You had people wishing death on Zaslav for cancelling Batgirl and people harassing the WB accounts for it, yet they're not labelled as toxic. You had people spamming for Cinderella movie at the Oscars thing, yet they were not labelled as toxic. The No Way Home crowd, not labelled as toxic, let alone homophobic, or white supremacists.
And if you look through your comment and the terms you might notice that you also did use terms like "toxic," "cultists," "surrendering," and "throwing bile"... so I don't really the point of this thread continuing.
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“ James Euringer was known to be pedo since the 90s, it's not a "new" thing”
Can you back that up with a verifiable source? Because every single source indicates this wasn’t publicly known the late 2020s.
Like he had a cameo in GotG 2 and he starred in a horror movie from Darren Lynn Bousman and no one said anything. Pretty sure that would have been a huge controversy if it was known then. (Conversely Leto had actual reports of grooming teens and Snyder still cast him for JL. But that’s ok I guess.)
There’s a reason why the majority of people trying to push the Gunn/Urine story are Snyder fans and almost no one else has picked up on it.
“ You had people wishing death on Zaslav for cancelling Batgirl and people harassing the WB accounts for it, yet they're not labelled as toxic. You had people spamming for Cinderella movie at the Oscars thing, yet they were not labelled as toxic. The No Way Home crowd, not labelled as toxic, let alone homophobic, or white supremacists”
It’s probably because all those movements were minor and lasted for a few months at best. Even Batgirl has largely been forgotten now. I don’t even know what Cinderella thing you are referring to. Conversely the Snyder fans have been pushing this for years and show no signs of stopping.
The closest equivalent I can think of is what’s going on with the Star Wars fans and those were very much called out on being toxic.
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- Yes, James Euringer's stuff had been known for decade and only came to the forefront a few years ago with the lawsuit... the same way the Bill Cosby stuff was known. And if people on the internet knew, I would think that his friend who thought it was funny to host such a party and tweeted sick pedo jokes for years, in his 40s, knew as well. But that’s ok I guess.
- It's fine to say that the snyderverse fans annoy you, it's another to repeatedly call them toxic and use abuse and social justice language to somewhat justify your disliking of them being passionate about a set of movies they like, which is what I referred in my first comment before you jumped on.
- If anything, the closest analogue in the SW fandom would be those who liked the Last Jedi, and criticised TROS for largely ignoring the previous movie and doing a 180. Now, if it's about calling out management, then it would inaccurate as, afaik, Lucasfilm didn't throw a director under the bus while shielding abusers and hindering an HR investigation.
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https://www.thewrap.com/zack-snyder-no-more-dc-movies-justice-league-cut/
“Yes, James Euringer's stuff had been known for decade and only came to the forefront a few years ago with the lawsuit... the same way the Bill Cosby stuff was known. And if people on the internet knew, I would think that his friend who thought it was funny to host such a party and tweeted sick pedo jokes for years, in his 40s, knew as well. But that’s ok I guess.”
I’ll ask again… do you have a verifiable source or not? Not just you saying so? Cosby had documented accusations leveled at him spanning decades.
I think it’s pretty obvious that if this was well known at the time there would be a huge controversy over him showing up in a Disney movie for kids. Take a look at what happened with the sex offender in Predators.
On top of that - on 2018 when people were making a big deal out of those costume pictures, no one even mentioned Urine being there. Wouldn’t someone have brought that up? If him being a pedophile was as well known as you claim?
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He has two movies and another franchise, so no, he doesn't have plans for it - not that it would be up to him. He didn't say it was over, neither in this interview or the others he has given surrounding the release of his cut, which why people are still going on about it.
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I just followed your lead and only chose to address half/a third of the points made in the preceding comment.
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https://archive.ph/Wbgxv
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