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tifag November 4 2021, 00:07:33 UTC
It is not cancel culture to hold abusers accountable for their actions, why is it so hard for people to understand that.

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sh0ckeye November 4 2021, 11:48:57 UTC
but don't you know, since she never experienced any of it first hand, her co workers shouldn't be held accountable or face consequences for their actions even tho she supposedly feels sorry for the victims. Vapid queen should just stick to posting home video tours for film twt.

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sadteenager November 4 2021, 13:55:04 UTC
define accountability though? without claiming this is what Dakota meant, I do feel like often cancel culture people just want to like... have a bad actor blacklisted and then shun anyone who doesn't refuse to engage with them or their work in the same way and that is not accountability. in many ways that type of exiling can make accountability more difficult.

I'm not trying to defend horrible people but as someone who's sided with sjw ppl in the past, I've become frustrated at the lack of clarity most people have about their goals with this kind of stuff. it feels like often people are projecting their own experiences onto some of these things when it's not that serious... I just try not to financially support people like dr. luke but I'm not going to keep a spreadsheet online of anyone who has ever admitted to liking his music or not called him out in a way that satisfies me.

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sh0ckeye November 4 2021, 15:25:13 UTC
in cases of abuse, the abusers shouldn't have any platform where they hold power over their victim to abuse them. that's accountability. put them in a position where violent abuse and rape puts them in jail like any other member of society.

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sadteenager November 4 2021, 17:11:19 UTC
ty for sharing this perspective.

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tifag November 4 2021, 21:34:41 UTC
This is what I’m getting at. Cancel culture has become this catch all term that any negative behavior that is called out falls under cancel culture when it shouldn’t. Rapists and sexual abusers should not be lumped in with someone saying stupid shit five years ago.

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sadteenager November 4 2021, 19:30:45 UTC
exactly! like obvi in cases of ongoing abuse where someone stays in a position of authority, that is a problem and it is not "canceling" them to keep calling them out until they are held accountable. but if someone was accused of something fairly minor years ago, hasn't had any issues since and publicly apologizes.... like what more do people want? you're right it can end up punishing people for trying to do better to where they decide it's not worth trying. we really need to step back and reevaluate and figure out what our goals are.

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