I wrote this in the other post so I’ll say it again here, and preface it by saying that I, a Jew, do not agree or cosign or do anything other than condemn Netanyahu’s government. However the Jewish people of Israel are not colonisers. It is our home we are indigenous to just like the Palestinians are. It is our ancestral land as much as the Palestinians, and again, I’ll reiterate that the Palestinian people have been treated abhorrently since the U.K. parcelled up the land in the 30s and 40s. But it is inaccurate and erasure to say that the Jewish people don’t also have a home there. We both do, it is the land of both our families, and it’s not a colonised country when a people are returning to their home. Of course that doesn’t justify marginalising the people who were living there upon your return, but it is both our lands.
Again, I’m not saying what’s going on right now is justified or acceptable or anything other than abhorrent and the IDF is fucking awful, but please don’t also erase our right to self determination in service of another. The Jewish and Palestinian people have a home on the same land and we both deserve to be there. It can’t be colonisation if you don’t already have a land to return to; the settlers in America had Britain, the Spanish and Portuguese in South America had Spain and Portugal. We cannot colonise when we don’t have a home to go back to.
I agree with you that the Jewish people have a claim, not the only claim but a claim, to the land. However, some Jewish people definitely act like colonizers. There are Palestinians who were born and raised there that have lost their home to Jewish people from Europe/US. Literally a Jewish person from the US can just show up to your doorstep in Palestine and have a better claim to your home even though their family has been in the US for multiple generations. It’s insane.
I think you said this well. The Right of Return, in my opinion, treats Israel like it an empty land. It reminds me of grants giving to Europeans to settle on land in the Americas once the native population had been killed or removed. Israel may be the spiritual homeland, but I dont know if it's accurate to say Jews in diaspora are indigenous to the Levant after hundreds or even thousands of years of absence. Or if they are, that the fact justifies a claim to the land.
It's been a long time since the people of the area determined their own fate. Palestine was under Ottoman rule until World War I. The British promised independence for Arab help in ousting the empire, then reneged on their agreement and divided it up between themselves and France. The League of Nations Approved. After WWII, the United Nations devised a partition plan for Palestine. The Arab population refused, saying it was violation of their right under the UN to self determination.
So we can blame England, France, the UN, Israel, or no one at all. We can call it colonialism or something else. But the fact is Palestine has been ruled by an outside conquering force for most of its recorded history.
i understand the history and that the jewish people have an historic claim to the region as well. however, that doesn't erase the state of israel's actions since the end of the war.
i don't know how anyone who has witnessed the shrinking of palestinian land over the last 70 years can disagree.
^ again it just comes back to this for me. palestinian people have been consistently run out of their homes, seen their land taken from them with no recourse. it's an ethnic cleansing full stop. of course it would be great for everyone to live peacefully but the israeli government has consistently shown they don't want that to happen.
24K+ new Israeli settlers arrived in 2014 alone, 50%+ from Europe. Zionist recruitment agencies are in all major European, US, Canadian, Australian cities. These dual passport holders can settle ANYWHERE in occupied land.
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104 new immigrants from North America arrive in occupied Palestine yesterday.
The immigrants hailed from New York, New Jersey, Ontario, California, Minnesota, Florida, Georgia, Illinois and Maryland. pic.twitter.com/nnTTumbFo7 - Eye on Palestine (@EyeonPalestine) April 27, 2021
Right?? These are mainly white Americans and white Canadians who go to Israel to take Palestinian homes and we're talking about "both sides have a claim." GTFO. White settler colonialism never ended.
I agree with you it's not accurate and the Israeli government uses a lot of propaganda to encourage immigration present day, but going back to the formation of Israel - many countries across the globe, but namely Jordan and Yemen, expelled Jews from their countries upon the formation of Israel. Most of the people who settled in Israel did not have anywhere to "return" to. To say they are settlers is not quite accurate, when many from the beginning were refugees and/or wanting to leave Europe after WW2. This is not a defense of Zionism, but to say they simply colonized the area without context is also not accurate.
To say they are settlers is absolutely one of the perfect fucking words to describe them. Along with zionist, racists, and colonizers.
If its a history lesson you need please google the Balfour declaration. The creation of Israel has only ever been an apartheid state by use of ethnic cleansing, massive incarceration of men, women, and children, the displacement of indigenous Palestinians, and daily violence on the Palestinian people in the West Bank, 48, and the Gaza strip.
The og zionists had a choice of land but they specifically wanted to steal Palestinian land. The brits have blood on their hands as well but don't act like this was the only land they could have turned their home into. IT WAS STOLEN LAND! Let's not just wipe away that fucking history. And lets not forget that when the exiled Jewish people came to Palestine at first they were greeted with open arms! Palestinian Jews, Muslims, & Christians sold them some land to live amongst them but wtf did they do?! They wanted ownership, they wanted the rights to everything, & then they committed the Great Nakba we know today and the Palestinians have been grasping for their basic human rights and right to return to their home land ever since.
They have done nothing but strip away every basic human right Palestinians have. They have no freedom of movement, they can never leave their state under Israeli rule. Imagine never being able to see the sea, never seeing a different kind of tree, an airplane, being able to travel to your family that lives 20 minutes away because you don't have that passport even though you've lived their all your life. And don't forget all the ongoing violence you have to face every day of your life! Walking on eggshells, crossing through border stops every 10 minute drive
& once again, I am not trying to be a dick but just trying to educate people like you who say these things. If I am visibly angry as I type well its been 73 years of watching people I love be treated less than animals. & I say less than animals because a dog in Tel Aviv has more freedom of movement than a Palestinian in the west bank. This falshood makes my stomach sick. But if you don't believe a rando on ONTD, here are some people to follow on twitter who always post sources and resources:
I've read it, I appreciate your comment, I follow a lot of pro-Palestine people/have pro-Palestine friends and Arab family, as well as have Israeli friends. But there's no land they could've chosen not occupied. I am not a Zionist, I don't defend Israel's actions, and I agree with a lot of what you are saying other than the notion that the Jews were received with open arms. My point is simply that many of the original settlers as you say were refugees, and that people gloss over anti-Semitism both in Europe and the Middle East. The original proposal was a two state solution which was rejected by the Arab Palestinians and the surrounding countries invaded Israel. I don't really want to argue on this and take a position that would seem to be defending Israel, because my point is that even if those that created Israel had a choice many of the people that arrived in Israel literally had nowhere else to go. It makes what is happening even more hypocritical no doubt.
these people didn't arrive in "israel" they arrived in Palestine.
& Palestine before 48 welcomed refugees. They did not need to turn it into an apartheid state to have sought refuge in Palestine.. but ill end with this
Yes, they immigrated to Palestine when it was under British control, but there were tensions between Arab and Jews during that time (also Jewish immigrant quotas) and anti-Semitism from non-Jewish Palestinians - like the 1929 riots for example. I agree that it did not need to turn into an apartheid state as it currently is.
However the Jewish people of Israel are not colonisers. It is our home we are indigenous to just like the Palestinians are.
It is our ancestral land as much as the Palestinians, and again, I’ll reiterate that the Palestinian people have been treated abhorrently since the U.K. parcelled up the land in the 30s and 40s.
But it is inaccurate and erasure to say that the Jewish people don’t also have a home there. We both do, it is the land of both our families, and it’s not a colonised country when a people are returning to their home. Of course that doesn’t justify marginalising the people who were living there upon your return, but it is both our lands.
Again, I’m not saying what’s going on right now is justified or acceptable or anything other than abhorrent and the IDF is fucking awful, but please don’t also erase our right to self determination in service of another.
The Jewish and Palestinian people have a home on the same land and we both deserve to be there. It can’t be colonisation if you don’t already have a land to return to; the settlers in America had Britain, the Spanish and Portuguese in South America had Spain and Portugal. We cannot colonise when we don’t have a home to go back to.
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It's been a long time since the people of the area determined their own fate. Palestine was under Ottoman rule until World War I. The British promised independence for Arab help in ousting the empire, then reneged on their agreement and divided it up between themselves and France. The League of Nations Approved. After WWII, the United Nations devised a partition plan for Palestine. The Arab population refused, saying it was violation of their right under the UN to self determination.
So we can blame England, France, the UN, Israel, or no one at all. We can call it colonialism or something else. But the fact is Palestine has been ruled by an outside conquering force for most of its recorded history.
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i don't know how anyone who has witnessed the shrinking of palestinian land over the last 70 years can disagree.
^ again it just comes back to this for me. palestinian people have been consistently run out of their homes, seen their land taken from them with no recourse. it's an ethnic cleansing full stop. of course it would be great for everyone to live peacefully but the israeli government has consistently shown they don't want that to happen.
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24K+ new Israeli settlers arrived in 2014 alone, 50%+ from Europe. Zionist recruitment agencies are in all major European, US, Canadian, Australian cities. These dual passport holders can settle ANYWHERE in occupied land.
Colonialism didn't end. https://t.co/dfuGMXpqt2 https://t.co/hzDzP7pwqF
- Shabana Mir 🐿 (@ShabanaMir1) May 6, 2021
🇵🇸 #Palestine || Just feels really good to be " HOME "
104 new immigrants from North America arrive in occupied Palestine yesterday.
The immigrants hailed from New York, New Jersey, Ontario, California, Minnesota, Florida, Georgia, Illinois and Maryland. pic.twitter.com/nnTTumbFo7
- Eye on Palestine (@EyeonPalestine) April 27, 2021
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If its a history lesson you need please google the Balfour declaration. The creation of Israel has only ever been an apartheid state by use of ethnic cleansing, massive incarceration of men, women, and children, the displacement of indigenous Palestinians, and daily violence on the Palestinian people in the West Bank, 48, and the Gaza strip.
The og zionists had a choice of land but they specifically wanted to steal Palestinian land. The brits have blood on their hands as well but don't act like this was the only land they could have turned their home into. IT WAS STOLEN LAND! Let's not just wipe away that fucking history. And lets not forget that when the exiled Jewish people came to Palestine at first they were greeted with open arms! Palestinian Jews, Muslims, & Christians sold them some land to live amongst them but wtf did they do?! They wanted ownership, they wanted the rights to everything, & then they committed the Great Nakba we know today and the Palestinians have been grasping for their basic human rights and right to return to their home land ever since.
They have done nothing but strip away every basic human right Palestinians have. They have no freedom of movement, they can never leave their state under Israeli rule. Imagine never being able to see the sea, never seeing a different kind of tree, an airplane, being able to travel to your family that lives 20 minutes away because you don't have that passport even though you've lived their all your life. And don't forget all the ongoing violence you have to face every day of your life! Walking on eggshells, crossing through border stops every 10 minute drive
& once again, I am not trying to be a dick but just trying to educate people like you who say these things. If I am visibly angry as I type well its been 73 years of watching people I love be treated less than animals. & I say less than animals because a dog in Tel Aviv has more freedom of movement than a Palestinian in the west bank. This falshood makes my stomach sick.
But if you don't believe a rando on ONTD, here are some people to follow on twitter who always post sources and resources:
@SanaSaeed
@marclamonthill
@lowkeyonline
@grassroots_quds
@@m7mdkurd. -- who just had an amazing live interview for CNN PLEASE WATCH!!
(https://twitter.com/m7mdkurd/status/1392064454515433476)
@LinahAlsaafin
Please take a minute and learn more and once you do I promise you will be as loud and annoying as I am <3
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& Palestine before 48 welcomed refugees. They did not need to turn it into an apartheid state to have sought refuge in Palestine.. but ill end with this
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