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TW (Harry Potter Kids vs. Stranger Things Kids) jdnightghobhadi February 5 2020, 22:47:46 UTC
This doesn't exactly fit into the main theme of the post, so I guess I'll include this here:

So, I understand that it's quite common for people to draw comparisons between the Stranger Things Kids and Harry Potter Kids, particularly when it comes to critiquing Millie Bobby Brown and what her having a, by all accounts, toxic stage dad will do for her future (if Thora Birch's career teaches us anything - I hope this won't happen to her!). The fact that many of them are underage still and are signed with high fashion brands and have insane Instagram followings (scarily unfiltered and with no regards to boundaries by adults who worship these kids like literal Gods and have access to seemingly nearly every part of their public lives put on display) - all of this shares little in common with the HP Kids when they were around the ST Kids' ages. Back in the ancient days of the 2000s, social media was still quite young and designer fashion trends for kids on the red carpet was virtually non-existent. One only has to look as far as the red ... )

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Re: TW (Harry Potter Kids vs. Stranger Things Kids) soarcha February 5 2020, 23:08:39 UTC
Also in context of Stranger Things, though he isn’t one of the kids Charlie Heaton grew up lower class in a council estate and had regular jobs before he landed acting gigs, and while supporting a child on top of that. Unsurprisingly he was more successful in America because the brooding British guy thing sells better there and he is overshadowed in his own country by the posh, privately educated peers (though he did manager to get cast in The Souvenir Part II with Tilda Swinton’s nepotism child.

I know ONTD absolutely despises him, especially after the airport scandal but I think for someone his background he has quite an impressive work ethic.

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Re: TW (Harry Potter Kids vs. Stranger Things Kids) jdnightghobhadi February 5 2020, 23:28:01 UTC
Oh really? Wow, I actually did not know that about Charlie bc I don't really follow him (not that I hate him or anything despite the... yes, the airport shit, girl - thanks for reminding me, I forgot about that post here, but y'all know). *Googles* Oh, he's from Leeds and Bridlington! How did I not pick that up from his interviews bc the Yorkshire accent is so easy to spot??

I really only became aware of Millie's situation (and this was before I finally gave in and watched ST - I like the first season mainly, but this is beside the discussion) bc people are always talking about it on here. And then, all the Millie posts. And now it's all over Tumblr. Yeah, that's true about how American audiences eat up brooding, outcast types unlike in Britain, I think so with that context, his success overseas makes sense. I don't know, us Americans prefer underdogs or whatever? We believe so strongly in meritocracy, it's just a given.

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Re: TW (Harry Potter Kids vs. Stranger Things Kids) soarcha February 5 2020, 23:49:03 UTC
Yes he is very Northern and lower class! Was in various bands since he was 16, got into a relatively famous one (at least in the London underground rock scene) in his late teens, where he had a shady relationship with the lead singer who was much older (in her 30’s while he just turned 18) and ended up having his child. The internet managed to write that one out when they write articles about him, I feel a lot of sympathy for him over that ( ... )

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Re: TW (Harry Potter Kids vs. Stranger Things Kids) jdnightghobhadi February 6 2020, 09:07:53 UTC
Sorry I'm replying to this late. I was at work.

he had a shady relationship with the lead singer who was much older (in her 30’s while he just turned 18) and ended up having his child

Wow, omg. That's nuts. :/ He's looks so young to be a dad (I mean, he's of age, but still and he has one of those faces like Dane Dehaan where he looks both young and old at the same time).) Do you have the links to some of those interviews bc I'd be interested in seeing them? This is all news to me. I don't really pay attention to people's dating lives (bc I guess I don't really care unlike most people), but based on event photos posted here, isn't he in a relationship now with "Nancy Wheeler" a.k.a. Natalia Dormer Dyer (omg there's so many famous Natalias/Natalies I know of I couldn't think of her flippin' name lol and for the longest time, especially in ST S1, I thought she looked like Raffey Cassidy who I know from Snow White and the Huntsman and that Brad Bird Disney movie ( ... )

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Re: TW (Harry Potter Kids vs. Stranger Things Kids) poisoned_summer February 5 2020, 23:41:45 UTC
i feel like the harry potter kids were all much more famous than the stranger things kids, but the st kids are very active in pursuing careers outside the show than the hp kids were. the hp kids pretty much all disappeared between movies and only came out once a year to promote the next hp movie, whereas the st kids are all doing a bunch of other movies and projects and endorsements outside the show

maybe this is because the hp kids knew they had 8 movies and 10+ years to build careers and the st kids know their show only has a season or two left tops and are trying to capitalize while they can. and i'm sure the hp kids were all being paid a ton more which makes the need to secure the bag less necessary

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Re: TW (Harry Potter Kids vs. Stranger Things Kids) jdnightghobhadi February 6 2020, 00:50:28 UTC
(I'm just gonna make some time to read this last comment bc I gotta go to work in a bit.)

i feel like the harry potter kids were all much more famous than the stranger things kidsDo you think so? I wasn't really into the HP fandom until way late (like, I saw the first two films when I was 7, 8, 9, red the first three books, got bored and didn't get back into it until high school, so like ca. 2009) so maybe I'm misremembering. I think they were EVERYWHERE like a decade ago when the last film came out (obviously) and while Dan and Rupert (and to an extent, Tom and Matt Lewis) are doing fine for themselves, I feel like you don't hear much about any of them anymore. I mean, Dan I think intentionally stays away from the media because he couldn't avoid it as a kid; now he's content with his life choices and doesn't need (or want) the attention ( ... )

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Re: TW (Harry Potter Kids vs. Stranger Things Kids) poisoned_summer February 6 2020, 01:20:33 UTC
oh i'm mainly talking about the main 3 hp kids - i don't think the others like ginny or luna really count given their presence in the films and the promo circuit was so minimal. at their peak, i still think the trio were all more famous than any of the st kids. maybe now millie is on their level, but i don't think any of the other kids can come close to how worldwide famous the trio were at the time. maybe also because there were only 3 hp kids and they were based on beloved book characters, they were all easily identifiable (harry potter, the girl, the redhead) and people could recognize and keep track of them easier than the st cast which just gets bigger and bigger every season ( ... )

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Re: TW (Harry Potter Kids vs. Stranger Things Kids) jdnightghobhadi February 6 2020, 02:05:15 UTC
Oh, oops! My bad! XD I guess when I talk about the HP Kids, I think of ALL of them, including the trio bc I loved them so much as a teen lol. But I guess the trio - well, Dan and Emma (poor Rupert!) - are more relevant if we're discussing worldwide recognition. In the later entries of the series, tho the supporting cast (Tom Felton, Matt Lewis, the Phelps Brothers - I won't call them "the twins" bc I'm a twin myself and I fucking hate that lol, Evanna Lynch, Katie Leung, Bonnie Wright, etc.) were contracted to frequent the promo outside the world and NYC premieres bc the trio were always busy shooting the next segment or doing other things (like for Dan, Equus and How to Succeed).

I didn't really think about the size of the cast for ST playing a factor into it bc yeah, I think you make a valid point there. Also the fact that it's an arguably ~original production and not based on any known properties (that isn't Stephen King). But the characters have no basis, really. I can see Finn already having a solid career bc I swear, he's like ( ... )

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Re: TW (Harry Potter Kids vs. Stranger Things Kids) winegums February 6 2020, 04:27:23 UTC
I wouldn't put that much stock in social media as an indicator or fame/influence, the Pope (yes, THAT Pope) 'only' has 6.5 million followers on instagram and uh, you know a hell of a lot more people than that are Catholic etc.. but on ig it's not even the population of a small country lol.

A big part of the ST kids fame/follower count is just that their show is the pop culture tv phenom of the last few years and still on, meanwhile HP ended before instagram really took off and is like a decade in the past now. It's what I'd expect tbqh. And Bonnie or even Evanna had far less of a presence in HP promo than Sadie does now for ST (she's on all major red carpets, has brand endorsements, gets interviews with the odd fashion pub even)

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Re: TW (Harry Potter Kids vs. Stranger Things Kids) jdnightghobhadi February 6 2020, 09:30:05 UTC
IA and that's where I was getting at. Instagram is mainly populated by a certain generation and socio-economic background of people which doesn't even make up 75% of the world as you say (i.e. middle-class Gen Z kids). Ofc, some broke Millennials have Instagrams (like me with my flop inactive lurker account bc the thought of posting to strangers is not healthy for my OCD; I don't even have enough motivation to post privately bc numbers give me anxiety lol) and older generations (like, my 73-year-old grandmother has an art account where she sells her paintings among her peers), but it's not Twitter.

But yes to all your points!

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Re: TW (Harry Potter Kids vs. Stranger Things Kids) yurasama_love February 6 2020, 02:16:04 UTC
Chris Columbus also specifically only cast kids who had parents who were involved but not stage parents. Parents who would be a good support system for their kids. That was clearly not the case with ST

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Re: TW (Harry Potter Kids vs. Stranger Things Kids) jdnightghobhadi February 6 2020, 02:46:37 UTC
I will forever appreciate Chris Columbus for doing this and even tho Dan's parents worked in the industry, they obviously understood how shitty it is to kids so were really there for him and his well-being. Despite Dan having anxiety and not knowing how to deal with his fame early on (can you blame him?), you can tell his parents are amazing and you can thank Chris for not wanting another Macaulay Culkin to happen (with how shit his dad was).

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Re: TW (Harry Potter Kids vs. Stranger Things Kids) yurasama_love February 6 2020, 02:48:34 UTC
He really learned from Macauley Culkin, thank goodness

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Re: TW (Harry Potter Kids vs. Stranger Things Kids) jdnightghobhadi February 6 2020, 09:42:13 UTC
I'm relieved, honestly. Chris has kids himself (his daughter, Eleanor is a director/producer now; she executive produced The Lighthouse and The VVitch) and always seems like such a cool dad in his interviews. That had to be so terrible for him to realise what happened to bb Macaulay. He also said the HP kids, to him, are like watching his own kids grow up and I swear to fucking God, that gets me all teary. ;_; I watched a doc about Macaulay Culkin a while back and while I knew most of the stuff that happened, like his parents had no trust fund or security for his money, I was HORRIFIED how his father acted on the film sets he worked on. Thora Birch's dad was so similar in that kind of controlling invasive behaviour and essentially ruined her career. Irc Drew Barrymore's mother was a POS too. I get the impression Britney Spears' mother pimped her out as well and didn't regard her daughter's mental health.

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Re: TW (Harry Potter Kids vs. Stranger Things Kids) winegums February 6 2020, 04:08:34 UTC
I think the point of comparison comes from the HP kids being the last time a cast of kids had this huge a public profile before Stranger Things, and they started at roughly the same ages too ( ... )

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