[DISCUSSION] Gackt on 'Terry Ito's Howl at the Moon' w/English subs

Sep 18, 2011 09:08

Just found this on YT & haven't watched it, yet, but would like to share it nonetheless.
Since I don't know Japanese, I can't say how accurate the videos are. I'll probably comment on itself after having watched it in the comments...
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Sauce: kkuwa13 | Video 1 | Video 2

[translation], topic:samurai spirit & manliness, tv, tv:terii itou no tsuki ni hoero, [discussion]

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hanachan007 September 18 2011, 16:19:47 UTC
What's wrong with a woman being strong enough to not need someone to protect her?

He never said it was something wrong. Towards the end, he even said : "[...]Although I think I am the type that wants to do the leading. But I do sometimes fall for a woman's capacity to do so".

From my understanding of this video, I don't think the need to protect someone has to be taken in its litteral sense. But rather as the feeling you can trust and rely on the man you love. Which is something that has never changed despite the changes in the world and society.
I don't think that being a strong woman changes anything on this following fact : If you feel like the man is weak, that he can't take decisions, the feeling of frustration will be there. Even though you are strong and can stand up for yourself, it's great to feel that you can still rely on someone, even more when this person is you man. Same on the man's side and G talked about the "feeling of wanting to protect EACH OTHER."

And that whole "If I say stop you should stop because you trust me" thing is so messed up in my eyes. I mean, I can understand what he's saying, but I bet if we reversed the roles and had the woman ask G to stop and trust her, he'd definitely try to make her do it his way.

How would you know this ? You don't know how he can react to this, you're not him. I'm not saying that he won't react as you said, but I think he's likely not to. Because if he says "stop", I understood that it doesn't mean that he wants to show he's the boss and that you should submit yourself to him. He said just later that he will give an explanation when it's possible.

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nekobob_chan September 18 2011, 20:54:56 UTC
THIS.
Also, when he's talking about being listened to immediately, it's a lovely thought that two people could be so trusting of each other to not have to question why they make certain requests... but also is extremely idealistic, imo. Realistically, you need to communicate your thoughts to people. (At least by saying "I can't tell you why right now, but I will when possible", etc.)

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xrosesandthorns September 18 2011, 21:03:03 UTC
That's what I meant by him not stopping if a woman said for him to. I can't imagine him just stopping and doing whatever the girl wanted. 1.) Because unless you've gotten to know your partner extremely well after a long period of time, you'll want an explanation as to why you need to stop and 2.) because G is a koakuma and would persist doing whatever he's doing just to tease the girl, most likely. xDDD

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nekobob_chan September 18 2011, 21:52:47 UTC
Lol, he does like to tease! XP But if he seriously believes in unquestioning trust, should he not be willing to reciprocate the same from his side? I just can't imagine that G would be so hypocritical. He also said that he usually leads but is sometimes taken by a strong woman on that front. So he can't be completely unbending either.
It's hard to say. After all, like hanachan007 said before me, we can't really know what he acts like unless we see it. All of this is just speculation. :S

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hanachan007 September 18 2011, 22:17:35 UTC
I won't develop what I'm gonna say further but let me disagree slightly with you and say this : it's not THAT idealistic. Yes, we don't see that often, especially in today's society. But there are couples like this *looking at her parents and observing them*
However, it doesn't mean that couples like this don't need to communicate (that's the whole contrary) : but there are just times when you need to trust your partner because he/she sees things you don't necessarily notice (and same vice versa !) but the conditions don't allow him/her to explain it in detail.

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xrosesandthorns September 18 2011, 21:42:41 UTC
G's whole philosophy and discipline is about training his mind and body so that he can protect the woman he loves- so yes, he even means physically protecting.

First of all, I want to point out that he says that there are a lot of women who don't spark his interest anymore... insinuating they aren't "good women" (although he blames this on not having enough "good men" around). That immediately is a red flag! Just because G isn't interested in them, does that make them any less of a good woman? No! It just means it's not the kind of girl he's into! Why is G's type of woman the only good kind? xD

He then goes on to say that in America you stand side by side, and do things together... but then how can you protect the woman in the situation? WELL, again- not all women are necessarily so weak that you need to stand in front of them! The gesture is kind-hearted enough, and I don't think it's coming from a bad place or anything- but it's still undermining her capabilities. If the woman needs to be protected in her own eyes, then fine, stand in front of her and protect. But don't stand in front of her if she feels she has the strength to protect herself. And if the circumstances so allow it, why can't the woman stand in front of her man and protect him when it's dangerous? G is just too archetypal in his ideals for a good man and woman. Women shouldn't be one way and men shouldn't be another. People are different and changing throughout their whole lives- saying that good women and good men are this way, but not another way is just completely wrong.

And you're right, I can't say for sure how G would act in situations, but from what I know of him, I have a hard time believing he would just sit back and take the passive role while he lets the woman lead, or in this case tell him to stop.

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tihojenebo September 18 2011, 22:24:03 UTC
Why is G's type of woman the only good kind? xD Hmm.. That's an interesting point... Never really thought of it like that...

The tree steps behind thing...You know I always wanted to ask him what happened if the attack comes from behind, since well,... bad people don't play by the rules and courageously attack from affront??!!XDD And a woman usually has only one guy to “protect” her and not a bunch of bodyguards as a president has them so they can stand all around him! I always though back to back, side to side is by far the better alternative here, no matter what he says! Protecting each other!!! That's the reason his explanation always sounds as an excuse for his romanticised "samuraism" and nothing more for me! And it saddens me no end actually... because if he’d defined differently it’s a great philosophy!

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bliss10 September 19 2011, 02:15:00 UTC
"bad people don't play by the rules and courageously attack from affront??!!XDD "

THIS! OMG! THIS! Seriously. When women get attacked these days, it's more often than not by someone they trusted. If not then, it is a blind attack from behind. Like I said he's romanticizing this three steps behind thing. She's in your blind spot G.

I tend to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's using this figuratively but IDK sometimes it seems it's literal. The sad thing is that if someone wants to attack your loved one, they will wait until the right time. When they are alone.

Having said that, G has a few crazy fan girls in front. I think I'd say, "Oh after you G, after you." :)

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tihojenebo September 19 2011, 23:09:22 UTC
"Having said that, G has a few crazy fan girls in front. I think I'd say, "Oh after you G, after you." :)"

Hahahaha!! I think his defence is impenetrable, he's the "president" after all!!;p

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bliss10 September 20 2011, 01:29:11 UTC
let's hope so lol

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tihojenebo September 18 2011, 22:27:44 UTC
"And you're right, I can't say for sure how G would act in situations, but from what I know of him, I have a hard time believing he would just sit back and take the passive role while he lets the woman lead, or in this case tell him to stop."

The funny part is.. I can actually see him wanting to do that... Becouse I can really see that lazy and masohistic part in him too...lol!

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hanachan007 September 19 2011, 09:16:49 UTC
G's whole philosophy and discipline is about training his mind and body so that he can protect the woman he loves- so yes, he even means physically protecting.
I actually didn't say it to emphasize on the psychological protection (because this is important as he talked about mind training,you said it yourself) but you are right.
However, I don't see how it is problem.
I'd personally be glad if someone can protect me this way in case something happens ! He never said he's going to protect women because they are actually weak. I like to think that's because she's the woman he loves. Protecting someone can be considered as a duty decided out of love and not out of the expectation that the person you protect is weak. Which is, I think, one of the most natural things in the world. Of course, that sounds totally romanticized, but I don't see how it is wrong either, there are men like this, and couples that happen to work this way ;)
We also need to take into account the fact that he grew up with a father who taught him to do so ;)

Then, about the "good woman" part...you know G's tendency to express his own opinion and preferences with terms that overgeneralize his thoughts, even though he's actually NOT the only one in Japanese society to think this way, which can explain why his opinion is generally accepted here and less in our Western society. I think he's well aware of the many exceptions there are in today's world. But he had to convey every deep part of his vision, I think this would take a day-long TV show XDDDDDDDDD

Women shouldn't be one way and men shouldn't be another. People are different and changing throughout their whole lives- saying that good women and good men are this way, but not another way is just completely wrong.
One more time, I agree he tends to generalize a bit (though he's actually not the only Japanese guy to have stated this), and I explained my thought previously. But if you just focus on him ONLY, he's actually just expressing a balance that would fit him to live a good couple life. It's not wrong, it's just his taste ;)
He admitted in this interview that women are actually very strong because they are actually the ones controlling (he even used the term "weak brats" for men XDDDD). Which makes sense when he said about the "3 steps behind" that the woman actually allows the man to protect him. The concept in itself is a bit shallow but I think we can take it this way : The woman allows the man to take leadership AND to make him feel he's being the leader (especially outside)...but they both know deep down who's the boss in here XDDDDDDD It's all about harmony in a couple which is, I think, a key word.

I have a hard time believing he would just sit back and take the passive role while he lets the woman lead, or in this case tell him to stop.
Then let's just give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe when he'll really be with a girl he loves, he'll accept it ;)

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