“No president has ever had that happen. Ever."

[oberstgreup]

Oh. Really?

It seems that, once again, there's a lot of selective, collective amnesia going around today.

"But... b-b-but... That's different!" (Always the last refuge of those with no argument.)

Right. Cause, you know, it's not like it ever got ugly or personal like this back then

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[kat1031]

Bush got booed. So did Clinton and Bush I and Obama during the State of the Union.

No Member of Congress yelled insults.

The guy is apparantly a racist dick and the person who gave the Republican rebuttal is a birther. Don't the Republicans have anyone sane left?

[oberstgreup]

No one yelled insults at Obama

[kat1031]

Racism is a moral offense.

Read about your guy.

[ajohnymous]

It's amusing how you use the term 'racist' as a medieval inquisitor might use the word 'heretic' -- as if such a charge, even if totally true, would somehow invalidate any criticism such a person might offer.

[kat1031]

It's disgusting that people are defending a member of a white supremacist organization.

[oberstgreup]

"Racism" is also a cheap way to score political points - like, say, the frequent accusation that opposition to Obama for any reason is racist. (An accusation that is, I think, becoming tiresome to most of the public.)

Nothing I've read about Wilson indicates racism.

You certainly aren't going to win any points with me claiming that membership in the SCV is an act of racism.

[kat1031]

He's Strom Thurmond's protegee. The bastard criticized Thurmond's daughter for coming forward because her existence was embarrassing to the Senator.

He also voted to fly the Confederate flag over the South Carolina Statehouse (one of only 7 - surprise, surprise all Republicans.) and is a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, which is a very, very thinly veiled white supremacist group.

Sorry, the guy is a jackass.

[oberstgreup]

Yes, he is. That doesn't make him racist. And he criticized Thurmond's daughter for telling that he had an illegitimate child, not because he had a black child. Insensitivity to someone who happens to be black

[kat1031]

Really? Have you read the actual quote? He manages to work in a reference to Jefferson and uses the word 'smearing'.

You might want to actually do some reading about the overlap between the SCV's leadership and groups like the Council of Conservative Citizens.

U Texas thinks there's an issue too

So does some of its own members

Here's what the SPLC has to say, including a very long discussion with a former member who tried to boot the racists and wound up being thrown out.

[oberstgreup]

I'm not going to get dragged into the Confederate Wars with you. Take it somewhere else.

[kat1031]

Or, oh, crap, I didn't realize that kind of stuff was going on, but don't want to admit that I might possibly be wrong, so let's end the discussion.

[oberstgreup]

Fuck off, Kat.

[kat1031]

Did you even read any of the source material?

[oberstgreup]

Yes, except the UT one which was a broken link. None of it was news to me.

Now, seriously, drop it or take it somewhere else. I'm not going to discuss this here with you. And frankly, if you're going to insist that membership in or affiliation with the SCV indicates white supremacist beliefs, I'm not inclined to discuss anything further with you, anywhere.

[kat1031]

So Wilson having a history of making inappropriate statements with racist connotations as well as belonging to an organization who's leadership roster has a gross amount of crossover with an organization that overtly preaches white supremacy (which is exactly what the CCC does) means that I should somehow not entertain the notion that Wilson is, in fact, a racist and that his views on race might possibly have had something to do with his comment