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oberstgreup

I finally saw the new Star Trek last night...

May 18, 2009 19:56

And I feel cheated. Kirk engaged in at least five fistfights over the course of the movie but did not deliver a single karate chop or double-fisted overhead smash.

( But seriously... and spoiler alert )

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greycat May 19 2009, 00:18:41 UTC

BAH! I liked it! It was fun, engaging, emotional and interesting. No over the top ness, really, which always bothered me about the series. Granted, it was no Next generation, but it was very good and I enjoyed it a lot.

I really did like the whole "Hey ladies!" thing that Kirk did, no matter how messed up or sick he was. THAT'S what i think of when i think of the original series. That and...talking...like... THIS!

oberstgreup May 19 2009, 00:46:23 UTC

I never said I didn't like it. I said I didn't like it as an attempt at a Star Trek film.

It may be something of a generational thing, too - you probably aren't old enough to remember when the original series was cool in a non-ironic sense.

And it was very over-the-top, just not the way the show was.

But Kirk - seriously, that guy is more than a little emotionally disturbed. Old Kirk hit on the ladies, but he would never in a million years assault them, or go around starting bar brawls like some junior-league Mickey Rourke. You don't put a hotheaded jerk like that in control of nuclear missiles, which is about our equivalent today.

greycat May 19 2009, 01:06:41 UTC

Did Kirk assault a woman? I don't remember that.

oberstgreup May 19 2009, 01:51:20 UTC

Arguably. IIRC, at one point in the bar fight he gets punched and spins around and is presumably reaching for the bar to catch himself when his hands encounter Urura's hooters instead. Whether the resulting smirk on his face indicated it was accidental-on-purpose is open to interpretation. It certainly indicates he's obnoxious and immature.

kat1031 May 19 2009, 01:57:49 UTC

Kirk was always obnoxious and immature, though.

oberstgreup May 19 2009, 02:09:49 UTC

Not obnoxious like that, he wasn't. He never insulted people for his own amusement, started bar brawls, or hit on women long after they told him to go away.

And never immature. He was a straight arrow when it came to duty, never took it less than completely seriously even in his younger days - that was established in a number of episodes. And not just Kirk - new Kirk is in that regard a violation of the Starfleet ethos of every series and film in the franchise.

greycat May 19 2009, 02:52:58 UTC

you probably aren't old enough to remember when the original series was cool in a non-ironic sense.

So, are you telling me that at 4 yrs old you were watching the original series? And appreciating it on deep intellectual levels?

oberstgreup May 19 2009, 16:58:47 UTC

So, are you telling me that at 4 yrs old you were watching the original series? And appreciating it on deep intellectual levels?No (although I did watch it in syndication at a very young age; I don't remember ever *not* having seen it, or seeing it for the first time), I mean that there was nothing newer or cooler in the genre until I was almost in my teens. When I was a ten-year-old nascent geek, ST-TOS was still The Shit - about the only mass-market SF in the early and mid-70s was grim, dystopian cautionary tales (often starring Charlton Heston), which were cool, but not really competing in the same genre - none of it portrayed a future any sane person would want to live in. By the time you were old enough to care, Star Wars had opened the floodgates for big-budget, up-to-date movies and, to a lesser extent TV shows ( ... )

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