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My Thoughts On SPN's The Purge

Feb 05, 2014 17:33

Last night's Supernatural seriously left me feeling depressed. It seems a large number of people have forgotten the basic premise of this show, including Sam. But I'll get to that in a moment. First, let me get a few things off my chest ( Read more... )

episode thoughts, episode 9.13

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impala1967 February 5 2014, 23:59:35 UTC

Loved yor post ... and I am not surprised that Sam fans are lapping it up. This season I have read that Dean basically let Sam be raped by the Angel, that Dean abuses Sam and now this latest. Its why I stay away from anywhere that is purely Sam orientated ( ... )

novembersguest February 6 2014, 01:27:53 UTC

The scary thing is, it's not just Sam fans--other fans are in favor of it based solely on some misguided desire for a "healthy" relationship. They see this as a necessary step in "fixing" Sam and Dean's codependency.

But I don't see Dean being the primary problem here--as you said, it's Sam's verbal abuse and manipulation. Furthermore, I don't watch the show for realistic, healthy relationships. My only problem with the relationship is how one-sided it is.

Whole thing makes me depressed.

a_phoenixdragon February 6 2014, 02:14:45 UTC

Thank you for this...will be pimping on my ElJay.

But I knew this was coming. He quit hunting and settled in with a chick who was just as treacherous as him, just as whimsical and left Kevin to dangle...and now he wants to lay all of his guilt at Dean's feet and blame him for everything.

We he is right about one thing - and he's proven it. If the positions were reversed, he wouldn't do a damned thing. Bobby would have been so damned angry and disappointed in Sam because of this. He died so they could still live, still be a family - he died AS family.

I'm frigging pissed off and dismayed. Sam needs his fucking ass beat. WTF...

*Hugs you tight*

You are not alone in this, bb...

novembersguest February 6 2014, 03:21:53 UTC

Thank you, I'm so glad I'm not alone in this. Give me a sec and I'll go make this public so you can share ( ... )

moondropz February 6 2014, 02:35:24 UTC

Thank you! I feel exactly the way you do right now and I never would have thought anything would shake my faith in show. I am so upset right now....
*Hugs you*

novembersguest February 6 2014, 03:29:20 UTC

Well, I've let this whole thing bother me way more than I should. I know its a show, but this has really upset me. I just couldn't with last night's speech. I felt like Dean looked. And, in that moment, I wanted to make Sam eat his words. To grovel for Dean's forgiveness and regret every single hurtful word. I'm almost at the point I'd be okay with Dean completely losing it and just going psycho on Sam. I wish Sam could see how much worse his life would've been without Dean there.

I am so sick of people saying Dean is controlling. Dean is only controlling for, like, the two seconds the writers make him OOC to prove their point. There is no real set up for that kind of thought. Dean may boss Sam sometimes, but he's not controlling. Dean has never been abusive toward Sam in that way. However, Sam is very dangerously close to being very verbally abusive to Dean and definitely manipulative. And yet, Dean's the bad guy?

I just can't with this. :(

moondropz February 8 2014, 16:08:43 UTC

I know it's only a show? But I've got 9 1/2 years wrapped up in the show. I cannot bare to keep hearing that Sam can do no wrong-and walks on water. So when they say he's controlling Sam I am befuzzled. How is he doing that? Who sat at Dean's bed after he had that fatal heart attack and went out to save him-yeah, Sam did....Gimme a break!

tuckercat2 February 6 2014, 02:42:14 UTC

I agree, Sam didn't didn't make sure Dean was really gone but instead him feeling bad it was Dean that was told that is what was right. No matter what Sam does Dean forgives him. Sneaking out to meet a demon? Hello? Was that trying to save Dean? No it was Sam wanting revenge and willing to let Dean go to get it. I really want Dean to say you know I am out of here. I would like to see Sam make the move to show us that Dean matters to him. Remember all the time Sam leaves? All the time he chooses wrong even when Dean & Bobby are telling him stop. Remember Lucifer got out because Sam was so sure he was the better hunter and he knew what he was doing was right. And he feels he let Dean down - well he did ( ... )

novembersguest February 6 2014, 03:54:28 UTC

Lynn from Fangasm is the only blogger I've seen that came even close to making a reasonable review of the episode. She, at least, is willing to admit maybe we don't WANT Sam and Dean to have a "healthy" relationship b/c we don't watch for reality. But the other thing she hits on that really resonates for me is she points out how, to Dean, Sam is more like a child than a sibling. That his need to protect Sam and keep him alive is akin to a parent's need to do the same for their kids--and its not about being "alone."

I agree with this wholeheartedly. I don't think Dean is afraid of being alone (at least, he seemed to thrive in Purgatory w/out Sam), but Dean can't stand for Sam to die. He just can't and I understand his need to keep Sam alive.

I don't know what's going on with this show, but I hope they fix it pretty darn quick. I'm tired of Dean being the bad guy when he's only done what's right and what's expected of him.

andromakhe001 February 6 2014, 20:44:18 UTC

Bingo, Dean has shown time and again he can live without Sam. He's "let Sam go". In fact I dare say Dean does a better job living without Sam than Sam does living without Dean. Dean makes friends, Dean thrives. Sam tends to go hole with maybe one other person and that's it.

But Sam being dead? That's something, especially when Sam was for all intents and purposes suicidal. Who the heck thinks it's the right thing to do to let someone who certainly looks and sounds suicidal, actually do it?

Dean is far more Sam's parent than his brother and it's about time the show and Sam acknowledge this. Did Dean make a mistake with Gadreel, yes he did but it was one he did in good faith. It wasn't selfish.

There is a gifset on tumblr of Dean's face when Sam says this and what I love is that it isn't just hurt(Dean's gutted obviously) but also disbelief, utter disbelief that Sam thinks this is what it's about. So much more complex than anything Sam was giving us.

novembersguest February 7 2014, 00:59:00 UTC

That's a point I keep thinking about but keep forgetting to hit on. Sam wanting to die is not natural (unless he was really sick and in pain like w/cancer patients) and he's supposedly suicidal. What rational person doesn't stop a suicidal person from killing themselves? Ugh.

Besides, I really question how suicidal Sam really is when he's the one who keeps saying yes when the option to live comes up. I'm having trouble with Sam's angle here, being mad because he's not dead, but not doing anything about it when he has the choice to die. It doesn't make sense and he's sending Dean mixed signals. And of course Dean's going to go to extremes to save him most particularly if he believes, deep down, Sam wants to live.

But, yes, Sam is more to Dean than a brother and that parental bond is the strongest bond in the world. I guess Sam can't understand that since he's never experienced that kind of feeling for anyone.

I agree, Dean looks as shocked as I felt. It never even occurred to him that Sam wouldn't save him. So SAD. Poor Dean.

PART 1 jackfan2 February 6 2014, 04:29:04 UTC

From the very first conversation at the beginning, I was grinding my teeth. When Dean mentioned what he'd been up doing all night and capped off the list with 'researching the mark of Cain' and Sam didn't so much as flinch, grrrrrr, seriously ( ... )

Re: PART 2 jackfan2 February 6 2014, 04:31:11 UTC

So where does this leave us? Well, I know where it leaves me. I don't deal with Sam girls and you shouldn't either. You will NEVER get any kind of rational or real-heart thinking from that group. Wherever you saw Sam girls and others cheering what Sam said, they obviously have no soul. Never, go there again. Seriously. I certainly don't ( ... )

Re: PART 2 novembersguest February 6 2014, 04:59:05 UTC

Some people seem to think that the writers had Sam be cruel in order to set up for dark!Dean. That Sam's cruel words are the thing to break Dean. And that is possible. Dean is definitely broken. I honestly hope this is true even though I don't want a dark Dean because the alternative is unthinkable ( ... )

Re: PART 1 novembersguest February 6 2014, 04:49:26 UTC

I'm answering in separate posts to make it easier on me. :)

Well, I feel the whole Dean wanting to kill the pishtaco(?) was ridiculous anyway. Current canon Dean lets monsters go based on whether they are killing people or not. So, that was a stupid thing there...unless, like some think, this is a symptom of the mark. Its an inconsistent characterization because Dean is not bloodthirsty. Even when he killed Amy, he was sad about it, he apologized to her and looked devastated about it. Last night, it was like he was squishing a bug w/no feeling at all. That's not Dean.

But, yes, after last weeks ep, I so much wanted Dean to just get in the car and leave. He doesn't need to be with someone who is becoming clearly verbally abusive. Sam is most assuredly picking the most painful things to say to Dean--but what is his motivation? Why? Nothing Dean has done warrants Sam being cruel and the writers have failed to give us any reasonable evidence as to why Sam is this cruel stranger. More to follow in next post...

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