Torchwood: Exorcism

May 22, 2007 22:28

It is all the fault of the fucking French boy.  Or rather, it is all the fault of the French boy Jack is fucking.

Not that Ianto is jealous.  Why would he be?  Not after what happened-not after what Jack did to Lisa.  Not even weeks afterwards, not even when Jack has been so polite, so eager to conquer Ianto’s heart and mind, win him back into the ( Read more... )

18, torchwood, jack/ianto, shameless porn, nc-17

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hellenebright May 23 2007, 09:08:25 UTC
As miss_zedem says, thanks for taking this in a great spirit (and not punching my lights out :). Having read your notes on where you were going in this fic, I think maybe the problem is that *I'm* a 20th century gal(since I was born in the 1950's, I can't really describe myself as 21st century), so I am putting a particular spin on things that you never intended to be there.

I see your point about Ianto being shocked at being hit. Jack isn't sending a message here, he actually isn't attempting to be dominant - he's just lost it like the kid in the playground that's just been called a wanker. And having lost it, he's not really as in control during the autopsy room sequence as he might like to think he is - or at least, as he comes across.

I'm not sure about the absolution in pain thing - its such a Catholic concept, and Ianto would surely be chapel. Seriously, I do know people who feel like that, but its still the equivalent of cutting to the ones I know (even if they inflict the pain by some other means than a razor blade), so I guess I still have a squick about it.

Still, it doesn't detract from the power and depth of the fic itself. I'd rather read this than a dozen fluff-bunny hearts and flowers Jack/Ianto fics.

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notevery May 29 2007, 10:52:06 UTC
Least I could do! As I said to miss_zedem, I have to admit that I'm a fan of concrit.

Jack isn't sending a message here, he actually isn't attempting to be dominant - he's just lost it like the kid in the playground that's just been called a wanker.

That explains what I was trying to say three billion times better than I managed it, and it was several times more concise, too. I was trying to convey a situation that's definitely dubious, but comes out on the side of angry people being aggressive rather than someone trying to express control in an entire interpersonal relationship.

Agreed, Ianto most likely wouldn't be Catholic even if he were religious--and also self-harm in all its forms is a really understandable squick to have! I can see an argument for that being too much authorial interference there, if that phrase makes sense: I'm an atheist, but I do have a weakness for the absolution-through-pain idea (and for the inner-peace-through-hard-work concept, so I may not be a religious person but have clearly inherited some of religion's mores.)

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hellenebright May 29 2007, 17:35:27 UTC
It's hard not to inherit the religious mores of those around you - Ianto would almost certainly have the protestant work ethic, if not any of the more extreme aspects of chapel christianity.

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