...one can only do healing or magic on a person who is conscious... That is a completely different matter, the person isn't asleep, but you still bring only that which is required for the work you have to do. So by this reading, unconsciousness is not a liminal state? I would disagree, but it IS your tradition. It still requires you remove your gear every time they take a nap.
While it is true that hammers and valknots are found within åsatru and neo-heathenry also in Scandinavia, people in general don't tend to use crosses and hammers as decoration in their bedrooms, if at all.
Most people DON'T use them for "decoration" nor did I state they did. People use them for their intended purpose, protection and/or spiritual focus.
It's good that you bring up altars, or rather the lack of them in some "indigenous Scandinavian traditions". The original poster is a witch and the vast majority of witches DO have altars, shrines, stangsteads, or what have you; frequently in their bedroom.
Giving advice from one tradition to another is the at the heart of this topic. What is great advice within one tradition may be utterly worthless outside it. For example, a close friend is deeply involved in Voudon and HooDoo. She frequently makes what "I" can only see as bribes to the spirits. Fancy cigars, expensive liquor, strange tasks. It would be madness for me to try within my tradition.
But it works within hers.
I repeat to the OP, ask your Gods. If they don't talk to you, use your divinatory system, be it cards, runes, tea leaves, shells, stones, etc. They WILL let you know. And they'll have more experience with your tradition than any authoritative-sounding source you can find online.
So by this reading, unconsciousness is not a liminal state? I would disagree, but it IS your tradition. It still requires you remove your gear every time they take a nap. You are making too many assumptions (which I realise I am guilty of myself from what you are saying further down). First of all, I don't treat unconscious people - we have medical doctors for those kinds of things - nor do I treat people who are asleep (for several reasons - lack of consent being one). Secondly, a treatment takes max a couple of hours, and the client is an active part - there are no naps involved. Furthermore, I have never come to an appointment, and found my client asleep, and I can't see what the problem would be should it happen, either, since I am there to treat her, not to stash my gear in her bedroom. In any case, if she is asleep, I have no reason to enter. And finally, anything I leave for her to use after I have left is extemt from the rule, since it is part of the treatment - apparently this isn't as self evident and logical as I assumed it was.
Most people DON'T use them for "decoration" nor did I state they did. People use them for their intended purpose, protection and/or spiritual focus. Clearly I made quite the wrong assumption here, and I'm sorry about that - it must have been the word "festoon" that did it. It doesn't speak of reverence to me.
"you are not to keep or bring anything related to healing or magic(emphasis is mine) into a room where somebody - cats and goldfish included - are sleeping"
A blanket statement like the above will lead to the logical conclusion that the below statement is in violation of the rule. I, for one, am pleased that there ARE exemptions. If I were to push the issue, I might suggest that having one's personal spiritual gear in the room would also be an exemption. YMMV.
"And finally, anything I leave for her to use after I have left is exempt from the rule, since it is part of the treatment - apparently this isn't as self evident and logical as I assumed it was."
Re: festoon. "I have a large vocabulary and I'm not afraid to use it" There ARE better words that more clearly delineate the point I was making. My bad. I'd claim it was a bad day, but...I'm no more immune to error than anyone else. (Besides, if you'd SEEN some of the bedrooms I've seen...Oy!)
That is a completely different matter, the person isn't asleep, but you still bring only that which is required for the work you have to do. So by this reading, unconsciousness is not a liminal state? I would disagree, but it IS your tradition. It still requires you remove your gear every time they take a nap.
While it is true that hammers and valknots are found within åsatru and neo-heathenry also in Scandinavia, people in general don't tend to use crosses and hammers as decoration in their bedrooms, if at all.
Most people DON'T use them for "decoration" nor did I state they did. People use them for their intended purpose, protection and/or spiritual focus.
It's good that you bring up altars, or rather the lack of them in some "indigenous Scandinavian traditions". The original poster is a witch and the vast majority of witches DO have altars, shrines, stangsteads, or what have you; frequently in their bedroom.
Giving advice from one tradition to another is the at the heart of this topic. What is great advice within one tradition may be utterly worthless outside it. For example, a close friend is deeply involved in Voudon and HooDoo. She frequently makes what "I" can only see as bribes to the spirits. Fancy cigars, expensive liquor, strange tasks. It would be madness for me to try within my tradition.
But it works within hers.
I repeat to the OP, ask your Gods. If they don't talk to you, use your divinatory system, be it cards, runes, tea leaves, shells, stones, etc. They WILL let you know. And they'll have more experience with your tradition than any authoritative-sounding source you can find online.
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You are making too many assumptions (which I realise I am guilty of myself from what you are saying further down). First of all, I don't treat unconscious people - we have medical doctors for those kinds of things - nor do I treat people who are asleep (for several reasons - lack of consent being one). Secondly, a treatment takes max a couple of hours, and the client is an active part - there are no naps involved. Furthermore, I have never come to an appointment, and found my client asleep, and I can't see what the problem would be should it happen, either, since I am there to treat her, not to stash my gear in her bedroom. In any case, if she is asleep, I have no reason to enter. And finally, anything I leave for her to use after I have left is extemt from the rule, since it is part of the treatment - apparently this isn't as self evident and logical as I assumed it was.
Most people DON'T use them for "decoration" nor did I state they did. People use them for their intended purpose, protection and/or spiritual focus.
Clearly I made quite the wrong assumption here, and I'm sorry about that - it must have been the word "festoon" that did it. It doesn't speak of reverence to me.
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A blanket statement like the above will lead to the logical conclusion that the below statement is in violation of the rule. I, for one, am pleased that there ARE exemptions. If I were to push the issue, I might suggest that having one's personal spiritual gear in the room would also be an exemption. YMMV.
"And finally, anything I leave for her to use after I have left is exempt from the rule, since it is part of the treatment - apparently this isn't as self evident and logical as I assumed it was."
Re: festoon. "I have a large vocabulary and I'm not afraid to use it" There ARE better words that more clearly delineate the point I was making. My bad. I'd claim it was a bad day, but...I'm no more immune to error than anyone else. (Besides, if you'd SEEN some of the bedrooms I've seen...Oy!)
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