Wow, I think I may actually have to put in some work in my personal life this week. This is a terrible idea! 1)Unless your journal is Friends-only, it can be perused by anyone going to www.livejournal.com/users/username (and for any of the tard-enhanced out there, "Friends-only" means that people you chose to be on _your_ friends-list can see the entry. If someone random adds you to theirs, but not vice-versa, the unwelcome "friend" doesn't see jack.
2)This seems to be a case of good intentions by dumb people. Your "friends-of" list isn't really a list of people who claim to be your "friend", it's a list of subscribers. If you really want to limit who can and cannot read your entries, see #1 above. Otherwise, what, other than the label of "friend", makes having someone you don't want reading your journal? LJ has plenty of protections already in place for journalists, I know most of them first hand from having them used against me. What specific problem will this system solve that hasn't been solved better already?
Whew! That was fairly coherent! I am now going to be very proud of myself for not giving into the mysogynistic rage that hit me when I first read the petition. Go me!
.why even CONSIDER giving into "rage" over something like this? Seems even more 'silly' than the idea of the petition in the first place...
It's only of the classicly bad-feminine ideas, and those things just set me off. I am almost always made livid by the idea of changing the rules of a given thing to enhance "niceness" at the expense of choice. I have nothing but utter contempt and loathing for people who want to make it easier for "mommy" to take care of things. The kind of thought that goes into actions like this is insidious and dangerous to the liberty of free individuals. Thought like this bans pleasant vices. If you really want to know why this sort of thought is dangerous, read up on the philosophy that lead to prohibition and the eventual affects on society banning alchohol had.
This extra (cpu/bandwidth using) step to adding someone to a list of journals you subscribe to is just another way to allow people way too much control of situational arrangments. Frankly, people should NOT be able to control who reads their obstensibly public journal via a friends-list arrangement any more than they can control it via restricting who can type in livejournal.com/~username. If your "friend-of" list shames you, I would suggest going here and checking "Hide Friend-of list". As a general rule however, I would say that the only way to avoid the possible unpleasantnesses of public discourse is to avoid participating. (and get back to the kitchen! tee hee)
No wonder your friend's list is cluttered with people who've added you...satchelmouthMarch 5 2004, 01:06:55 UTC
You're a way awesome chick! (no offense)
I'm adding you to my friends list.
My main purpose for commenting, however, is that I want to join the community you started, "marriageislove". I am a heterosexual male, but an ally of the GLBT community for sure. I am in awe of your strength to start such a community. You rock! :)
Re: No wonder your friend's list is cluttered with people who've added you...nobodysechoMarch 5 2004, 01:19:21 UTC
Heh, I'm sorry! Want me to like, get up, walk away from the computer, make more chocolate milk, and then come down and resist clicking the e-mail thing for like...5 minutes?
Re: No wonder your friend's list is cluttered with people who've added you...satchelmouthMarch 5 2004, 01:24:28 UTC
I am just in awe... :) by and by, I sent my e-mail, though I am sure you're still sitting there clicking and reading... heck, I might even get that IM pop-up window from ya mid-sentence while I'm typing here... Or not. :)
Re: No wonder your friend's list is cluttered with people who've added you...nobodysechoMarch 5 2004, 01:26:32 UTC
Heh, yeah I got the e-mail and the notification for this at the same time. The comment notification is sometimes faster than 'actual e-mail' which surprises me...
Anyway, I'll go add you to the community now...
I don't use AIM though....I guess I try not to be an IM whore...that sounds stupid...so I only use Yahoo and really only use that 'cause of e-mail notifications....
Re: No wonder your friend's list is cluttered with people who've added you...satchelmouthMarch 5 2004, 01:30:31 UTC
Only 1:30. Stockton is on the West Coast. I'm originally from Sacramento. They're only an hour's drive, so it's cool. Far enough away from home for the freedom I need, close enough for free laundry on the weekends. ;)
Re: No wonder your friend's list is cluttered with people who've added you...nobodysechoMarch 5 2004, 01:32:27 UTC
Never been to the west coast....'illegally' went to the east coast once but that's a rather long story....
Yeah..freedom is a good thing. I'm not an hour away from 'home' but I'm not exactly 'welcomed' there all the time either, at least not if I want privacy, clothes to not get stolen...etc...once again, a rather long story...
I do my laundry in quarter machines. It's....not fun.
1)Unless your journal is Friends-only, it can be perused by anyone going to www.livejournal.com/users/username (and for any of the tard-enhanced out there, "Friends-only" means that people you chose to be on _your_ friends-list can see the entry. If someone random adds you to theirs, but not vice-versa, the unwelcome "friend" doesn't see jack.
2)This seems to be a case of good intentions by dumb people. Your "friends-of" list isn't really a list of people who claim to be your "friend", it's a list of subscribers. If you really want to limit who can and cannot read your entries, see #1 above. Otherwise, what, other than the label of "friend", makes having someone you don't want reading your journal? LJ has plenty of protections already in place for journalists, I know most of them first hand from having them used against me. What specific problem will this system solve that hasn't been solved better already?
Whew! That was fairly coherent! I am now going to be very proud of myself for not giving into the mysogynistic rage that hit me when I first read the petition. Go me!
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If you'll look at my friends of list, it's cluttered with people that have added me but that I don't even know/like/care to have read my journal.
This would prevent their names from being listed there which just makes it look a lot better.
Anyway....why even CONSIDER giving into "rage" over something like this? Seems even more 'silly' than the idea of the petition in the first place...
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It's only of the classicly bad-feminine ideas, and those things just set me off. I am almost always made livid by the idea of changing the rules of a given thing to enhance "niceness" at the expense of choice. I have nothing but utter contempt and loathing for people who want to make it easier for "mommy" to take care of things. The kind of thought that goes into actions like this is insidious and dangerous to the liberty of free individuals. Thought like this bans pleasant vices. If you really want to know why this sort of thought is dangerous, read up on the philosophy that lead to prohibition and the eventual affects on society banning alchohol had.
This extra (cpu/bandwidth using) step to adding someone to a list of journals you subscribe to is just another way to allow people way too much control of situational arrangments. Frankly, people should NOT be able to control who reads their obstensibly public journal via a friends-list arrangement any more than they can control it via restricting who can type in livejournal.com/~username. If your "friend-of" list shames you, I would suggest going here and checking "Hide Friend-of list". As a general rule however, I would say that the only way to avoid the possible unpleasantnesses of public discourse is to avoid participating. (and get back to the kitchen! tee hee)
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I'm adding you to my friends list.
My main purpose for commenting, however, is that I want to join the community you started, "marriageislove". I am a heterosexual male, but an ally of the GLBT community for sure. I am in awe of your strength to start such a community. You rock! :)
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Jared
p.s.
very nice to make your acquaintance!
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On the userinfo of the community are directions on how to apply for membership to marriageislove.
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p.s. I'll be surely glad to explain later as to your awesomeness. ^_^
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so...that explains that fastness of the whole commenting...thing...
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Anyway, I'll go add you to the community now...
I don't use AIM though....I guess I try not to be an IM whore...that sounds stupid...so I only use Yahoo and really only use that 'cause of e-mail notifications....
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And thanks!
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So not sure where you live, but is it late as fizzuck there too?
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Yeah..freedom is a good thing. I'm not an hour away from 'home' but I'm not exactly 'welcomed' there all the time either, at least not if I want privacy, clothes to not get stolen...etc...once again, a rather long story...
I do my laundry in quarter machines. It's....not fun.
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