DPP: Random Idea Day

[callmeonetrack]

What if 
...Gianne had been Kara's sister?
...Kara and Lee were together and she almost (or did) cheated on him with Zak?
...Kara had gotten shot in Sacrifice instead of Lee (not necessarily by him)?
...they'd been transported somewhere else when Kara put the arrow in the archer's bow?
...Lee had chosen Kara as his XO in/after Razor?
...Sam had realized

Comments

[callmeonetrack]

More on Gianne as Kara's sister. Isn't that kind of an interesting one? Lee and Gianne are seeing each other, but then he meets/has this spark with Kara--maybe something even happens like the table scene, then Gianne declares she's pregnant (maybe it's the truth, maybe she's lying b/c she sees whatever's happening with Lee and Kara and wants to stop that in its tracks). Lee's troubled by the pregnancy news and goes to Kara for...commiseration? Comfort? Sexytimes?

IDK. I like the possibility of it all. I'd be very curious about what Kara and Gianne's relationship was like (can't possibly imagine it being as seemingly good as Lee and Zak's somehow) and how they grew up with Socrata. Gianne could have been very much the "good daughter" who escapes her mother's wrath while Kara bears the brunt of it. (I can't see her being all that protective of Kara and Kara still coming out the way she seems to have in canon, so independent and fierce and a fighter.)

[onlyariana]

I have to admit that while I sort of enjoy the brothers thing I HATE the sisters thing. I know it is hypocritical or sexist or whatever but it is. I just seems like a slimy thing when guys do it but when women do it seems more ok. Probably because in story telling when women are willing to switch brothers it is because of "true love" and when a guy wants to switch siblings it's because he wants to fill the space on sex bingo for banging sisters.

To be fair to myself I don't just love the idea of swapping one man for his brother but there's been movies like Moonstruck and While You Were Sleeping and you can't argue with either Cher or Sandra Bullock. It just isn't allowed.

[callmeonetrack]

LOL. Lee is so not your typical, uh, sex bingo filler, that it works for me I guess. I imagine it would still be just as fueled by their unexpected and incredibly deep emotional connection as in canon it is in my head!canon.

Plus if he's sorta bored or unhappy with Gianne anyway... and then he meets Kara who he shouldn't work with but actually has so much in common with deep down...

Although it's funny isn't it-- we seldom ever imply that Kara was bored with or unhappy with her relationship with Zak in any way. It's okay for her to love him but still want Lee.
Yet the reverse seems weird to us. We can never imagine that Lee loves or is happy with Gianne or Dee and just feels deeply for Kara too.

[callmeonetrack]

I am not totally sure what "space sex bingo" would entail but now I'm totally thinking of that icon that someone used to have which was a rewrite of the "I'm Fucking Matt Damon" song by Sarah Silverman.

On the floor, against the door, on a towel by the rack... Hee.

[onlyariana]

It's true. He's so concerned with being upright that he'd not sleeze like that. The dislike of the sister thing is just a knee jerk reaction. If someone wrote this I'd devour it.

Does canon ever explicitly say that Kara has no siblings? I'm thinking about birth order and personality. I'm not like a true believer in it but I think there's something to it. Lee is a textbook first born. What were you thinking if Gianne was Kara's sis. Who is older/younger?

I don't know how I feel about Lee being bored or unhappy with Gianne when he meets Kara. I think the reason Kara needs to be really in love with Zak is that Lee would dislike her if she wasn't. I feel like Kara would feel the same if the guy dating her sister didn't really care much about her. Though I think part of the reason why she needs to love Zak is that he died so if Gianne didn't die horribly (maybe not until the attacks?) that might not be so necessary.

[callmeonetrack]

I'm not sure if it explicitly says she doesn't but we never see any referenced and I would think that would have to come up in Maelstrom.

I think Lee is weird because he works really well as an only child or younger child as well in my head. (The latter was my canon for ice pilots and it worked quite beautifully to have him in Zak's shadow I thought).

I was thinking Gianne would be older. And maybe even left home a lot earlier and Kara got stuck behind. I could probably rationalize her as a favored younger child (not from a cylon husband!) as well maybe for a fic.

I don't know...I think there's a lot of shades in a relationship and it makes more sense if there's some dissatisfaction or lack of fulfillment in it for someone to cheat. If they've already got one foot (emotionally) out of it anyway...I think then it becomes a lot more likely they'd consider other options.

[onlyariana]

I can see that. So Gianne wouldn't have really been around while Kara was getting the bulk of her abuse. Kara would probably hide that from Gianne so she wouldn't feel like a burden on her.

Maybe Kara touches Lee in a deeper and more manly way than Gianne. ;-)

[callmeonetrack]

Maybe Kara touches Lee in a deeper and more manly way than Gianne. ;-)

LOLOL! A+! I just bet she would! ;)

[winegums]

We can never imagine that Lee loves or is happy with Gianne or Dee and just feels deeply for Kara too.

I think that's more because Gianne is such a nonentity, though - it's hard to imagine Lee being with her at all.

Zak might have had a grand total of two scenes, but at least he got to actually speak lines/do something that wasn't all mushy 'I want a baby!', lol.

[callmeonetrack]

Well, Dee then. We see her and Lee kissing and flirting in the beginning of Captain's Hand and The Woman King and seemingly quite happy on Groundbreaking Day in UB, yet most people seem to assume that he's unhappy in the relationship because he just wants to be with Kara.

I've never really seen anyone suggest the same about Kara -- that really she's some level of unhappy with Zak and Sam because they're not Lee. Instead it seems to be a sentiment of she'd be totally happy with them if Lee didn't exist, wasn't around.

I don't know. Feels different to me.

[winegums]

I've always thought Lee would in fact be happy with Dee if there was no Kara (much like we assume Kara was with Zak), but I think the idea that their relationship was flawed since he wanted Kara sort of comes from the fact that we're never really shown any real basis for their relationship other than some mild mutual attraction.

Kara and Sam, on the other hand, fed directly into Kara's known Dead Guy Issues, and it was easy to see why she got hung up on him after thinking he was dead/dying. We never get to know Sam in his own right as a character as well as we knew Dee, but at least I can see where Kara/Sam came from.

[callmeonetrack]

So Lee & Dee needed more angst maybe? Heh. Although they had some issues too what with his depression and Sacrifice. I do know there was a lot of moving around of the Lee/Dee scenes between various episodes and some amount cut as well and perhaps that also muddied the waters.

I actually think the development of their relationship started with their walks to the brig while Kara was gone and the plan to bust out Roslin. Dee was like the first sounding board/friendship he had that wasn't with someone he either reported to or supervised. If we'd gotten to see more of them colluding there, maybe our perspective of their relationship would have changed quite a bit. They would have been the opposite of Kara/Sam/Dead Guy Issues -- Lee/Dee/delusions of normalcy.

[winegums]

Not angst, so much as more scenes of them together that made sense - it's like, one episode they're making eyes at each other over self-defence/Blackbird wiring, and the next she's overhearing confessions that he was suicidal, and then she's confronting him saying they've had a thing for weeks and she wants to date. Some of those brig walks/self-defence classes would have been a good fleshing-out of their relationship, really (especially with Dee's hero-worship of PapAdama and how that affects her relationship with Lee).

You basically summed it up in this: They would have been the opposite of Kara/Sam/Dead Guy Issues -- Lee/Dee/delusions of normalcy.

[callmeonetrack]

It's sort of funny though isn't it, that you just listed four or five scenes that they actually got and yet Kara/Sam only got one episode and some crappy flashbacks and some implications in Downloaded and we all think that relationship makes sense. (Even though...it totally does not make sense to me that Kara would get so attached to a one night or even one-week stand. Dead Guy Issues, what Simon says in the hospital, I've heard all the rationales and still I just...TOO MUCH. TOO FORCED.)

Ahem, anyway. I guess the moral of the story is: give the writers more time and they'll fuck things up, so the less said/done about it the better. ;)

[winegums]

It's not so much the number of scenes, I guess, it's the fact that we really don't get how they progressed, or get Lee's pov on his and Dee's relationship (until TAB). At least with Kara/Sam, we get a look at what's going on in her head, even if the One-Week-Stand premise (or however long she was with him on Caprica) seems ridiculous.

Basically, BSG writers sucked at developing pilots' alternate love interests and then tried to sell that as True Love. SO much bs.