And who said I don't? It's not people's well being I have a problem with, or with helping people. There's no problem there for me. Many people refuse to accept this though and want to just think that libertarians are cold heartless bastards who are going to let people die in the streets.
Oh, don't think you've got your foot in the door to have another pointless debate with me. My opinions of you have not changed. When you change, perhaps they will, but for now I see enough to draw my conclusions kthx.
And that right there is the problem. People do the same thing with libertarianism. They look at it and think, "Oh my god! You cold heartless bastards don't want to help the chillun and the poor folk!" because of how we feel about taxation. The only problem is that our views of taxation have nothing to do with our views on helping people, merely that doing so should be voluntary.
I see that the non-libertarian straw man has appeared once again. I don't think anyone genuinely thinks that a popular political ideology warrants for letting people die in the streets in the name of personal freedom. Sure the idea may exist in different and less sinister forms but it wouldn't gain popularity if it goes against human nature. The problem comes from the desire to change the socio-political landscape drastically without giving proper thought about the possible consequences. You guys need to come with a detailed transition plan between the current system and your ideal system. Then you will need to provide a contingency plan when something goes wrong
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I don't think anyone genuinely thinks that a popular political ideology warrants for letting people die in the streets in the name of personal freedom.
Well, she's the one who keeps bringing it up. Mayhaps you ought to school her, because she sure as hell won't listen to me.
The problem comes from the desire to change the socio-political landscape drastically without giving proper thought about the possible consequences.
Sounds familiar...FDR, maybe? There are actually some rumors floating about recently that FDR and his cohorts knew their system wouldn't work in the long haul but went forward with it regardless of that in the hopes of placating the unwashed masses.
You have democrats, conservatives, and everything in betweenAs if they're different things in the first place! Not to mention that tiny minority which is "in between." With the Republican's ever consistent slide towards liberalism with the American pocketbook and the Democratic slide towards conservatism with their newly adopted "Socially Responsible" (essentially
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You lack the ability to sell yourself, to people, that should say something. You think the US would actually be better off if it ran according to your own idealogies? Now THATS an ego!
You seem quite naive. Political Science nerds on the internet tend to be the types that have nothing really productive to contribute to the discussion and instead spout of their narrow-minded views to annoying levels. Most people who claim to have any interest in Political Science don't have a genuine interest in the discipline but rather use their academic background to claim ideological authority by quoting their respective political scripture or latest talking points. Real scientists must maintain objectivity and once they start favoring one conclusion or idea over another based on personal biases instead of real data and experiment results then they have failed in their work.
If you knew anything about the discipline of political science you would know that quantifying data and experimental results rarely has anything to do with it. In fact, political science, in the way the word is being applied here, is quite a misnomer considering the direction that most political science takes. Most of political science is focused on normative rather than empirical claims.
It is actually quite likely that "science" as it is typically used in reference to political science is in reference to the meaning of the original Latin root of the word scientia, meaning knowledge.
Btw, can you sing the "No True Scottsman" song with me?
Re: Nice Trytaboo_elfNovember 18 2007, 07:53:35 UTC
You completely missed my entire point. Political science enthusiasts only see a very small part of the big picture. They have very little understanding of the actual study of Political Science since they spend way too much time obsessing over their respective pet ideologies and theories.
Re: Nice TryninjalieNovember 18 2007, 08:39:16 UTC
Once again, I won't be entering a long drawn out debate with you over what I'm about to say. It's my opinion so there really isn't anyway you can debate it anyway
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Re: Nice Tryragnarok20November 18 2007, 08:48:20 UTC
you draw lines between issues where there should be none
Example and reasoning, otherwise this claim is worthless.
You are unable to comprehend the reason of the opposition
Just because I don't agree doesn't mean I don't comprehend their reasoning.
you simply insist that you are right no matter how many holes are poked in your argument.
Sounds pretty familiar with the antics of you and your boy there.
Just because you insist that you're logical doesn't make it so.
Funny, considering that a great deal of people can usually see the logic, even if they don't necessarily agree.
It's very clear that you're the kind of person who would rather cling to his failing political ideologies than examine or question them. You can debate till the cows go home, but if you only debate so that you can assert your own beleifs, you're missing half of the fun.
If that's what you think, then it's clear you don't know me very well.
I wish you could see how you look to everyone else.
In any case; PoliSci = teh awesome.
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Well, she's the one who keeps bringing it up. Mayhaps you ought to school her, because she sure as hell won't listen to me.
The problem comes from the desire to change the socio-political landscape drastically without giving proper thought about the possible consequences.
Sounds familiar...FDR, maybe? There are actually some rumors floating about recently that FDR and his cohorts knew their system wouldn't work in the long haul but went forward with it regardless of that in the hopes of placating the unwashed masses.
You have democrats, conservatives, and everything in betweenAs if they're different things in the first place! Not to mention that tiny minority which is "in between." With the Republican's ever consistent slide towards liberalism with the American pocketbook and the Democratic slide towards conservatism with their newly adopted "Socially Responsible" (essentially ( ... )
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Says you, but still, without much elaboration this point is useless.
You think the US would actually be better off if it ran according to your own idealogies? Now THATS an ego!
That would be true if I thought that merely because they were my ideas. It's correlative, not causal.
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You seem quite naive. Political Science nerds on the internet tend to be the types that have nothing really productive to contribute to the discussion and instead spout of their narrow-minded views to annoying levels. Most people who claim to have any interest in Political Science don't have a genuine interest in the discipline but rather use their academic background to claim ideological authority by quoting their respective political scripture or latest talking points. Real scientists must maintain objectivity and once they start favoring one conclusion or idea over another based on personal biases instead of real data and experiment results then they have failed in their work.
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It is actually quite likely that "science" as it is typically used in reference to political science is in reference to the meaning of the original Latin root of the word scientia, meaning knowledge.
Btw, can you sing the "No True Scottsman" song with me?
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Example and reasoning, otherwise this claim is worthless.
You are unable to comprehend the reason of the opposition
Just because I don't agree doesn't mean I don't comprehend their reasoning.
you simply insist that you are right no matter how many holes are poked in your argument.
Sounds pretty familiar with the antics of you and your boy there.
Just because you insist that you're logical doesn't make it so.
Funny, considering that a great deal of people can usually see the logic, even if they don't necessarily agree.
It's very clear that you're the kind of person who would rather cling to his failing political ideologies than examine or question them. You can debate till the cows go home, but if you only debate so that you can assert your own beleifs, you're missing half of the fun.
If that's what you think, then it's clear you don't know me very well.
I wish you could see how you look to everyone else.
Aww, you pity me. How quaint.
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