In which I try to sort out my thoughts on the Prop 8 thing, and probably babble a lot.

[ninjakitten]

So. CA Proposition 8

Comments

[karjack]

Blaming any group isn't terribly productive. Whatever classification of people you come up with, there are going to be exceptions who are harmed not only by the loss of civil rights but by the hurtful accusations as well. Say, for example, gay black folks and gay Mormons. Those folks need support more than ever, not to get attacked from both sides

[ninjakitten]

I'm with you on pretty much all of that. Just to be clear, I'm definitely not saying "oh if the math came out differently it'd be okay" because, well, it wouldn't. It's just that to me the fact that the math fails the test says that not only is it =wrong= to blame it on "the black community", it's also provably incorrect.

But, yeah. And speaking of Mormons, I was cheered a little a week or two ago by finding http://mormonsformarriage.com/. Both because they oppose 8 and things like it, and because they have that url, and some bigoted group doesn't. :)

[arctures]

And hey; Schwartzenegger is behind gay marriage rights, and was quoted as saying 'this is the same situation' as interracial marriages were.

So the Governator is on the side of the right!

(I so wish he could run.)

[ninjakitten]

Yeah -- he's been less than a staunch supporter of gay rights in the past, but his opinion seems to have been evolving in the correct direction over time. And that's good. :)

(I still wouldn't really want him running for president, but I do think he'd likely be better than some people who can.)

[striderhlc]

I suspect that over the course of the next few months, we will be hearing a lot of the "Blacks made proposition 8 pass" narrative from the conservative media. Gay marriage is an issue that many Democrats feel strongly about, and this narrative pits one minority group under the democratic banner against another, encouraging infighting and possibly driving voters on either side away from the Democratic party... Remember Rush Limbaugh encouraging Republicans to change their party affiliation and vote for Hillary in the primaries

[ninjakitten]

Absolutely -- that's why they call these "wedge issues," right? :} Defusing it is complicated, though...I guess just pointing out that it's being used to divide us is a start, but where from there?